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Peter McLaughlin

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pan determined postulates
« on: June 14, 2019, 12:31:35 pm »
Are you using pan determined postulates?

Dennis make the point that when in playing games or interacting with others you and they are using self determined postulates to determine what you will do and you should create a pan-determined postulate and put it on your opponent to alter their self determined postulate.

For example, i recently was contacted by the state tax office to collect sales tax on an out of state purchase i had made and had shipped to my home address.
I realized that the sales tax code had just been changed so now the state was attempting to collect revenue from anyone who had made out of state purchases.
I responded to the agent that i did not recall what he was referring to so i would have to check my records and get back to him.  I then generated a pan determined postulate which i put out at his location that my purchase was so small that the tax was hardly worth his time and there were other, higher dollar amount purchases he could pursue.

He never called back.

So did my action cause him to give up? I don't know but i like to think it did.

Have any of you had similar experiences?

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Re: pan determined postulates
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2019, 02:20:52 pm »
You made a self-determined must not be known and a pan-determined must not know.  Clever.

I have sometimes instead of saying "I must find out" said "It will make itself known to me."

It's really in the wording.

I want to know you and you will make yourself known to me.

I want to forget you and you will go away.

I must be known and you will know me.

I must hide and you will never find me.

All those sentences have the sd and pd postulates in each of them.
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Re: pan determined postulates
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2019, 11:39:52 pm »
Yes! The wording is very important.
 I read "The Resolution of Mine" 17 times trying to figure out what Dennis was talking about.

The self determined postulates:
Must be known
Must not be known
Must know
Must not know
 just did not communicate anything real to me.

I finally found a wording that communicated when i hit on:
Forcing something on another they do not want
Withholding something from another they must have
Taking from another something they do not want to give you.
Refusing to accept something another wants to force on you.

This kind of wording communicates well to me and makes it clear what games conditions are going on when players take these opposing postulates.

Once i had this kind of wording on the basic postulates i was able to see what the games being played in level 5 were all about.

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Re: pan determined postulates
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2019, 12:32:29 am »
Do you use the IP data when running level five?  Flipping back and forth between your SD postulate and the PD postulate the other is trying to enforce on you?  I had to read Insanity Point twice and then actually start running level five before that became real to me.