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Can or should TROM be made available to the masses?

No. Only Ex-Scientologists can understand TROM. It would be dangerous for the uninitiated.
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Yes.  But the materials will need a lot of clarifying for the uninitiated.
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Yes.  The currently published materials are fine the way they are and don't need clarifying.
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No. Even with clarification the uninitiated would botch it and ruin their minds.
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I don't know enough about TROM to know one way or the other.
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Can or should TROM be made widespread?
« on: July 09, 2019, 09:21:00 pm »
What would happen if TROM were mass-marketed and everyone knew about it?  Would it be understood?  Can it be understood?
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Re: Can or should TROM be made widespread?
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2019, 09:13:08 am »
Thanks for offering this little game!  :)

I hesitated between the second and third alternatives.  Dennisí materials are the real thing: Ďsourceí if you will, and he doesnít use a lot of scientology terms. I wouldnít want to write anything that leads anyone away from the original materials.  But the more individuals write and discuss TROM in their own words the better. We all have different cultural viewpoints, and can see different applications of the fundamental ideas. 

The real difficulty is that TROM points the way out of game conditions. And not many people want that. LRH said that you can only get a person to give up a game if you offer them another game.

Itís easier to get people to accept stories of eight-armed deities, galactic dictators or guardians of the 12 gates of the underworld, than to give them the few simple facts that underlie any world they create.  Itís easy to sell a complex system that promises more games sensation, helps athletes win medals, helps businessmen make money.  Games are sexy; TROM isnít.  So it may always be valued only by people who have tried other systems and found these only provide partial answers.
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Re: Can or should TROM be made widespread?
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2019, 12:06:48 pm »
I think it's only in the currently published TROM a Games Manual (not the original 1979) that over-burdens the reader with Scn terminology in the first part, where, inserted before the main text is Dennis talking about the GPMs, Analytical Mind and Reactive Mind that the newbie becomes overwhelmed.  And with a glossary only ten terms long, one which doesn't even appear in the text, its going to drive just about anyone away who doesn't understand Scn.  The glossary I made has dozens of terms that I spotted in the text that the laymen needs defined.

Ron was right about most things.  His attitude was different than Dennis' but his data was mostly correct.  Misunderstood word phenomenon (losing comprehension from undefined words) is indisputably correct.

(For anyone else reading this besides David, if you need those terms defined, there is a glossary in "Read TROM here" in this forum)

Scientologists go free in many ways, or better put, they get new abilities and get rid of some of their case, but I don't think Scientology resolves the compulsion to play games.  I think Ron died still a compulsive games player, as able as he was.

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Re: Can or should TROM be made widespread?
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2021, 01:40:30 pm »
I love if there is a Trom Manual audiobook on Amazon.

The ruling calculating psychotics with their fantastical array of technology would make sure that world-wide dissemination did not happen - been there, done that.  ::)

A being with a mind can be messed with many different ways - been there, done that, and still alive to tell about it :-)  But I had a boss who did not live to tell about it.

The last thing you want is for Trommers or Trom to be on the Oprah Winfrey show. Trust me, we are out-gunned and out-manned, and Oprah is not on your side. However once our postulate powers are greater than their technology .... let's see.

I would however love to see the CCH's become an established mental health practice along with an early diagnosis of psychotic tendencies. That might be allowed. Childhood group processing in schools might also be allowed - just take it slow and easy.

Remember, Dennis said the "gods" wish to destroy us - and have fun while doing so.

And "truthers" like to talk about the reptilians - they've been implanted from the egg to fear and hate humans - whatcha gonna do? Then there are the non-corporeal gamers with this planet as their playing field.

Have I said enough? Trom quietly for now.




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Re: Can or should TROM be made widespread?
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2021, 01:46:31 pm »
I think it's only in the currently published TROM a Games Manual (not the original 1979) that over-burdens the reader with Scn terminology in the first part, where, inserted before the main text is Dennis talking about the GPMs, Analytical Mind and Reactive Mind that the newbie becomes overwhelmed.  And with a glossary only ten terms long, one which doesn't even appear in the text, its going to drive just about anyone away who doesn't understand Scn.  The glossary I made has dozens of terms that I spotted in the text that the laymen needs defined.

Ron was right about most things.  His attitude was different than Dennis' but his data was mostly correct.  Misunderstood word phenomenon (losing comprehension from undefined words) is indisputably correct.

(For anyone else reading this besides David, if you need those terms defined, there is a glossary in "Read TROM here" in this forum)

Scientologists go free in many ways, or better put, they get new abilities and get rid of some of their case, but I don't think Scientology resolves the compulsion to play games.  I think Ron died still a compulsive games player, as able as he was.

I wouldn't be here if not for Ron.
Ron started as a must-be-known - as I knew him - and went down a notch before he died into a must-not-be-known.

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Re: Can or should TROM be made widespread?
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2021, 04:28:11 pm »
Well put, David. I quote you here: "But the more individuals write and discuss TROM in their own words the better." That happens for me the more I actually do the practices.

Take RI, for example.
For example, in my Facebook group I call RI, "Creative Visualization", and it is the same practice Dennis gives, just a term they have heard of before. It helps them remove mental drama re pain.

For example, with certain groups I use the term "re-framing" (360 of course) instead of "Repair of Importances". Re-framing of a timebroken scene was mainly Lester Levenson's repair practice. Lester had prior to his release many sessions with a psychiatrist - who finally gave up on him, lol.

Buddhist groups have a near-equivalent repair practice called "lovingkindness". I would just add that they do a 360 on that.

Ramana Maharshi meditated and did a lot of perceptual RI walking around and around his beloved mountain. Others may follow his example without really knowing the true "why" - just that they feel better. I don't know if that is something Ramana intuitively did or if it was a standard exercise in his religion.

Christians were instructed to take an attitude of thankfulness, and I can personally attest that this also pushes the non-life mental dramatizations away, satiates the mind - at least temporarily. Would that be a repair or a process? Other than that I don't plainly see what the Christian equivalent of RI would be ???

In "Problems of Work", Hubbard gave us the walking practice, which sounds like a watered-down version of perceptual RI. I read in a book that Australian aboriginals made their mentally ill do what they called a "walk-about". My Freezone auditor also gave me a rudimentary RI, called "Six Directions", and we used it to keep the session moving along. it was a revelation for me to see that I could actually move a scene around - be more causative  :D

I think "Time Breaking" would be an okay term to bandy about and even turn into a [hashtag] meme  :)  It would be good for people to know that scenes are locational - near or far - until they are vanished.


Thanks for offering this little game!  :)

I hesitated between the second and third alternatives.  Dennisí materials are the real thing: Ďsourceí if you will, and he doesnít use a lot of scientology terms. I wouldnít want to write anything that leads anyone away from the original materials.  But the more individuals write and discuss TROM in their own words the better. We all have different cultural viewpoints, and can see different applications of the fundamental ideas. 

The real difficulty is that TROM points the way out of game conditions. And not many people want that. LRH said that you can only get a person to give up a game if you offer them another game.

Itís easier to get people to accept stories of eight-armed deities, galactic dictators or guardians of the 12 gates of the underworld, than to give them the few simple facts that underlie any world they create.  Itís easy to sell a complex system that promises more games sensation, helps athletes win medals, helps businessmen make money.  Games are sexy; TROM isnít.  So it may always be valued only by people who have tried other systems and found these only provide partial answers.

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Re: Can or should TROM be made widespread?
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2021, 09:14:16 pm »
Keeping the source data as is, remember Dennis already warns us in Level 2:

"Use RI liberally. Donít be a martyr - run RI when the going gets rough; youíve nothing to gain by suffering any more than you have to. This Level is designed to crack the compulsive games condition you are currently in with your own mind. It does it with ruthless efficiency - to the full extent you are currently capable of achieving. But Iíll tell you this: once you come out the other end youíll have lost all fear of your own mind. Youíll know with absolute certainty that thereís nothing it can do to you that you canít handle. Youíre over the biggest hump. The being who has successfully completed Level Two has said good-bye to separate therapists: he now knows he can do what has to be done alone. If this technology ever becomes lost to mankind it will only be because some faint hearts could not confront the horrors of Level Two, and so will change it all into something pleasant - and useless. Never miss it: Level Two is the only barrier that sits between mankind and the attaining of Nirvana. He cannot face Level Two, and so he goes to a separate therapist to help him through it - never realizing that by so doing he has negated his own responsibility in the matter, and so doomed himself to failure. He must do this step alone, or heíll never be able to **** a snook at his own mind; there is no other choice."
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