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Alan Walter talks about 'BUG' in material TROM addresses
« on: April 11, 2014, 12:01:45 pm »

Hi,
Alan Walter once talked on ESMB about there being a 'Bugged' area he spotted in TROM and from his
own research into the Games Matrix he'd run into (see comment below),  Wondering if anybody had thoughts on this
'Bug' and what it is?

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I kind of got the impression that Alan had spotted a "bug" in the TROM program....but
maybe I just mis-perceived it.

Alan: It is a bug - it was the same bug that stopped me from issuing the Games Matrix Materials.
About a year ago I found the answer to it.
But how to get others to handle the bug was what stalled me out.
It is a built-in self-created "bouncer" that has multiple sources that causes the being to "flee" from
going into the area needed to be handled.
It appears in order to be honorable - the being shut down the area - then barred entrance to
contacting and erasing the area.
The contact point is full of excuses, justifications and tremendous inertia that pushes the being away
from handling and erasing what needs to be faced up to.
Just getting processors willing to co-process it was a trip unto itself. It has taken me a year to get 6
people set-up to co-process this stuff.
 

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Yes I agree there is a big in trom. But once you spot the bug it works. But it's not trom it's the mind. The big i see is when looking for "must not be knows" the mind says must not look- so it bounces you out. It's like a double wammy.

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Yes, Alan Walter was a master in the marketing area. He could build impressive organizations in a field that was only half way working.
But my experience with the elite guys in orgs is that most of them had a good portion of manic tendencies, everything should be fantastic.

A more workable truth is that nothing needs to be fantastic, it just needs to work   ;D

I can also see the point of the theory that Alan was referring to a bug in the area of postulates in general, not TROM.
Very possible...
In doing TROM at a slow pace and reading the materials several times, I have never been able to find a real bug in the theory.

And I have found 4 or 5 real destructive bugs in Scio, major stuff (at least mind shattering for me). I believe TROM is as clean as it gets.
Of course there are areas he doesn't mention, but the materials work without it. And one discovers these areas along the way anyway..
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Yes, Alan W. was master of hyperbole and had some of his own self-promotional game strategies.   At the same time he knew how to keep people interested in resolving their case.

It is no surprise to me that any auditor might read Trom and then decide how to use the material for their own practice:  Line the incidents up under one or more junior goals packages (whatever indicates to the client).


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I've found the thoroughness of the Knowledgism rundowns really something wonderful though, so Alan Walter is definitely somebody whose work I don't take lightly(not to suggest anyone was!).  To be able to run the charge out and inspect the individual moods(tones) relating to an item or identity was a game changer for me I never experienced in SCN.

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Yes, Alan Walter was a master in the marketing area. He could build impressive organizations in a field that was only half way working.
But my experience with the elite guys in orgs is that most of them had a good portion of manic tendencies, everything should be fantastic.

A more workable truth is that nothing needs to be fantastic, it just needs to work   ;D

I can also see the point of the theory that Alan was referring to a bug in the area of postulates in general, not TROM.
Very possible...
In doing TROM at a slow pace and reading the materials several times, I have never been able to find a real bug in the theory.

And I have found 4 or 5 real destructive bugs in Scio, major stuff (at least mind shattering for me). I believe TROM is as clean as it gets.
Of course there are areas he doesn't mention, but the materials work without it. And one discovers these areas along the way anyway..

Just curious what bugs have you found in Scientology? Understanding some of it ripped my mind up for years.

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This is just a short answer, there are other stuff too  :)

1. Romance and sex are some of the most charged areas in people, more or less ignored in Scio caused by LRH's blind spots in that area. Dennis gave a hint of this and he is spot on.

2. Lots of actions considered overts are natural behavior for the GE. This creates wrong indications in session and messes up the PC.

3. The Conditions are not correct, non-ex and upwards are normal good actions for a person. On the lower conditions he suddenly has placed you in a group (where did that come from?) and then makes you wrong because you don't agree with the group that he has invented. This is mixing apples and potatoes.

4. Incident 2 (of OT3) is based on a lie, the overpopulation story is false. If that one is believed it makes everyone here into innocent victims, something that is very far from the truth on that incident. So even if you run OT3 on yourself and others you will build up charge by accepting the false EARLIER story of why the whole thing happened.

5. There is an other factor regarding the body of the PCs today that hinders his progress, I will not go into details but it's physical in nature and not unlike the drug situation handled on Purif. This creates a PTP of a type LRH had no possibility to know anything about in 1947-1967. Not so destructive in a TROM situation because TROM is done solo. But very destructive and creating false indications in an org or church environment. It happened to me.

6. Dennis has (on a tape) pointed out the big flaw in Scio Ethics, that LRH thinks that all no-gain PCs are suppressives because all suppressives had no gains. Listen to the tape, it's fun.

These are the things that just came up right now, possibly I have 6 more in the morning...

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I see what you mean, strange you can go from non existence to a group. Ron was definitely charged up on the sex dynamic.

For me the biggest thing was using words that are grammatically strange instead of the common usuage. Like affinity instead of liking, thetan instead of spirit, etcetera. It's like it's a trap to make you think and get into his game. Also I found a lot of contridictory things as you have.

As to trom I havnt found a bug per say but the mind makes lots of bugs when your looking for them.

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You have my agreement there, I think both SPIRIT and LIKING are good enough.

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Yes I agree there is a big in trom. But once you spot the bug it works. But it's not trom it's the mind. The big i see is when looking for "must not be knows" the mind says must not look- so it bounces you out. It's like a double wammy.

Could it also be that the To Know matrix is from the analytical mind, not the bank, or reactive mind?

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Yes I agree there is a big in trom. But once you spot the bug it works. But it's not trom it's the mind. The big i see is when looking for "must not be knows" the mind says must not look- so it bounces you out. It's like a double wammy.

Thinking more on this, Dennis correctly said the being is scaredy-cat about looking into its own mind - from the tape where he talks about how he started to get the idea for TROM practices. 

Personally I developed or adopted sensory experiences that I could allow myself in this society that did satiate or quiet the mind temporarily, in lieu of taking measures in my own hands and learning how to safely get a handle on my mental processes.  For example, I love my mind when I am working on a creative aesthetic project, and would only be interested in getting better at "To Create".

If you recall, Alan died at a very great body weight - perhaps he did not run enough havingness processes, because one can sure get the munchies after a good session.

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Yes, Alan Walter was a master in the marketing area. He could build impressive organizations in a field that was only half way working.
But my experience with the elite guys in orgs is that most of them had a good portion of manic tendencies, everything should be fantastic.

A more workable truth is that nothing needs to be fantastic, it just needs to work   ;D

I can also see the point of the theory that Alan was referring to a bug in the area of postulates in general, not TROM.
Very possible...
In doing TROM at a slow pace and reading the materials several times, I have never been able to find a real bug in the theory.

And I have found 4 or 5 real destructive bugs in Scio, major stuff (at least mind shattering for me). I believe TROM is as clean as it gets.
Of course there are areas he doesn't mention, but the materials work without it. And one discovers these areas along the way anyway..

I concur with you 100% - In reading and doing TROM I love its simplicity and how it does work for me - when I actually work with it.  But once you get to the point where it is fun - where you make sure it is fun for you - then you start more and more to look forward to the next session.  It really helps to have a twin, both you doing separate RI and timebreaking, but at the same time and place, or even over Skype.

Inch by inch I feel I'm starting to get some command power over my mind  - until it comes up with the next BIG THING, lol!


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I've found the thoroughness of the Knowledgism rundowns really something wonderful though, so Alan Walter is definitely somebody whose work I don't take lightly(not to suggest anyone was!).  To be able to run the charge out and inspect the individual moods(tones) relating to an item or identity was a game changer for me I never experienced in SCN.

In an experimental auditing session I last year had the PRESENCE PROCESS start to be run on me and it was a doozie....just that one session.  That comes out of Knowledgeism.

 highly recommend someone running that to no more change and then posting about it here.