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The silly thing is that the overwhelmed person does not really copy the postulate of the other.
He instead makes his own postulate that can be similar or very different.

The girl might reject a guy because he is not at all the tall and dark movie star type, and she already has a secret lover.
But the rejected guy might decide he is a loser as he always goes broke and cannot afford expensive bikes.

Most people create their own weird reasons for those bad things happening   :-\

General Discussion / Re: Definitions for Overt / Motivator
« on: March 07, 2018, 12:05:43 pm »
There is a saying that "a super precise mathematician is a bad mathematician"..

My own view is that in TROM we are talking about overwhelm. And the overwhelms on the person's time track are seen from his own viewpoint, they are subjective to some degree.
This is very often overlooked in $cio practise (and elsewhere), so one just have to use what one finds.
I can argue that what I did wasn't an overt, but if it caused some idiot to switch valence then it worked as an overt. We are not interested in the truth, we are interested in a workable truth.

The popular definition is that an overt is something you wouldn't like happening to yourself, a motivator is something the other guy wouldn't like happening to himself.
Yeah, sometimes true, sometimes not.

Lots of things in this field are subjective. Even the Tone Scale is subjective as hell, but nobody noticed.

Level five TROM / Re: Junior Goals Package - Want/Wanted
« on: February 11, 2018, 03:40:41 pm »
In working with concepts like "TO WANT" I always try to be aware of the side of myself that is called the human ape.
This beast (no insult intended) most likely has it's own version of this thing running all the time. And you should not run spiritual processes on your body. Wrong tools.

TROM was created to be run on a spirit (you), it will not repair your iPhone or your body.
I can recall mixing up my body and myself on running Grade 2 (problems) on another type of "philosophy" many years ago. Not pleasant..

My opinion is that this is usually not a big factor in TROM, but I think you will run more cleanly and save time if you stay away from your body's ongoing games.

General Discussion / The human ape thing
« on: March 28, 2016, 06:55:37 am »
In spiritual studies the human ape is a very lonely guy. So called "spiritual people" kind of drop this subject faster than a hot potato. And speaking about potatoes, I recall from the Philadelphia lectures that the great hubbard guy had an introduction that was too funny. He said something like this:
"This lecture will be about operating thetan. But the fact is there aren't any operating thetans around any more. I can only see operating GEs". (laughter in the audience)
And then the guy went on to lecture them about the troubles of spirits (thetans), ignoring the fact that his audience were apes.

GE = genetic entity, the being that runs the body, not the spirit.
operating thetan = a very theoretical state, a sort of perfect spirit.
human ape = GE + physical body

Dennis Stephens knew about the church's ignorance of the human ape and it's natural behaviour. He has mentioned the founder's difficultles talking about the subject of sex, essential stuff in the ape's programming. The only effective action of the church regarding the human ape is something they call Purification Rundown. They acknowledge that some human ape bodies are too contaminated with drugs to enable spiritual progress. Then for financial reasons this rundown is sold to all of their public, sometimes several times   ;D

In the TROM materials Dennis also mentions that the spirit and the human ape will part. But this fact is not a good reason to ignore this earthly creature, you might possibly enjoy the ape/spirit coexistence for a long time. Maybe even several times, I don't know what your plans are.

I have mentioned elsewhere that church ignorance of the human ape leads to faulty auditing actions and resulting case worsening.
A lousy example would be a story like this:

I sleep with my neighbor's cute young wife a few times before I get the idea that this is not so smart. Then I go to my local church to get some auditing on the matter. They will do their normal wrong action of ethics cycles and confessionals on the subject, ignoring the human ape aspect of it all. After a nice "success story" I would come home feeling great. Then a few weeks later the neighbor couple would be back from holidays and I would fu'ck that cute wife again the next morning. And I would actually have some extra bypassed charge on my case caused by my visit to that church and not by my sexual adventures.

What happened? Well, their technology is not complete at all. They don't understand that I am maybe 80% human ape and will in many cases follow the programming of that creature. And you might possibly have noticed that most guys would be interested in sleeping with a cute young girl, in many cases would be happy sleeping with several different cuties every week if possible. This is not because I had a bad upbringing or faulty education or evil purpose or any other spiritual or mental factors. It is because my body is human ape and this is what cool apes do   8)

So the overt is actually: "Following your animal instincts and not using your spiritual good judgement".

But I have never heard of any "spiritual people" being able to see such a concept, it's way too simple. You just have to be aware of that dormant animal stuff and control it according to your own judgement, not according to some church viewpoint.

General Discussion / Re: Galvanometer
« on: August 13, 2015, 11:51:05 am »
I know Dennis mentioned that it could be used in TROM. I also believe he was only familiar with the church meters at that time, the Hubbard mark V and mark VI e-meters.
Personally I never felt the need for meters in TROM, I have several in my house.
Still you could probably download a manual and such from the net and find out more, I also checked today and found a couple of mark VI meters on Ebay  :)

General Discussion / Re: Galvanometer
« on: July 25, 2015, 09:06:37 am »
Yes indeed, but I have not used it with TROM processing.

General Discussion / Re: Postulates and the difference between..
« on: July 19, 2015, 04:10:36 am »
part 2

Let us look at how a couple of games could unfold in a (close to) real life drama.

                           The hippie dreamer and the damsel

   In the city of Marseilles we find a group of young people interested in folk music. Tom at 21 years old is the bass player in such a band, he really is more of a hippie type and a dreamer. Looking through his father's vinyl LPs he creates a PICTURE of the lovely 1965 era and the great values of those days. After a while he developes a vague IDEA of sitting in the Himalayan mountains  meditating for weeks and finding himself in such a way. This becomes his DREAM and a fairly strong one (+5) too, and he starts to make PLANS to travel there in the summer. His friend Paul is the drummer in the band and he has different VIEWPOINTS. He thinks Tom should use his time and money to buy a much better bass guitar to replace the more amateur type of instrument he has been playing for years. Paul really WANTS (+5) this and we now have 2 postulates in conflict as there is only enough money and time to do one of these things.
   Alex is the sound mixer and he is HOPEFUL (+4) Tom will travel far away for weeks as he has the CONSIDERATION he could achieve a few romantic moments with Tom's very cute girlfriend in those weeks. He supports Tom's VISION and PLAN because it aligns fully with his own PROJECT.    Tom's IDEAL SCENE (+6) is to be free to do as he likes, but his parents get to know about it all and they are not happy. Mommy goes right down to (-8) as her REALITY is that terrorists are going to kidnap the boy the moment he gets off the plane. Daddy does not have the same terrorist fears, but he is not telling. His PROJECT (+6) is to get his son away from his artist type lifestyle and move him onto a career as a lawyer. So it turns out that Mom's and Dad's postulates are very well aligned, but for different reasons. Still the strength of Dad's opposition is only (-3) as he also has a BELIEF (+3) in free will, something he enjoyed in 1965.
   The girlfriend hovers around zero on the subject, she thinks Tom is cute in his hippie ATTITUDES and believes in freedom herself. Still the whole subject is not very important to her. She knows nothing about the sneaky PLANS of the sound guy Alex and would never CONSIDER (-7) any such ACTIONS as she thinks he is creepy and have never thought of him "in that way". Still she can see that Tom needs a new instrument that would help his career and their future together. She feels she is standing still at the moment and her body is telling her it might be time for a few babies soon
   Well, it turns out Tom has a hidden RULE (+7) stemming from his childhood. Grandmother always told him that "one should never make Mommy worried because then Mommy would be tired and maybe even sick". This is an emotional thing for Tom and he cancels his Himalaya PROJECT as he cannot face the PICTURE of a Mommy deeply (-8) worried for several weeks. And he knows he can not even meditate a second with that background. So the trip is now cancelled, it was a nice DREAM while it lasted.
   But the drama is not over as Paul has a new PROJECT going. As the money and time is now freed up he convinces Tom and the girlfriend to come on a short trip up to London, a secret romantic journey by train under the channel and without Mommy knowing about it, so no worries.
   In London Paul drags his friend from store to store trying out instruments, his INTENTION (+5) is to get the guy back to Marseilles with a fantastic instrument for a great price, this is what London is for. Then they can play some serious gigs and make a career in the music business. Paul also buys himself a few Swiss made cymbals that are impossible to find in France, this was part of his PLAN (+5). The drummer is a resourceful guy, but it will turn out he can't control everything.
   Because in the meantime the super cute girlfriend is sitting bored in a tea house on Queensway close to Hyde Park, with no money to shop the trendy clothes she would love to have, and nobody to talk to. So when a cool British 30 year old guy starts talking to her, things can happen. He has money, he gives the impression he really likes her, would really take care of her and treat her like a princess. He loves kids but doesn't have any, he would like to have 3, and soon. He is a handsome guy, has just retired as he now is wealthy enough and wants to spend time with family. The Englishman buys her a classy lunch at a great place on Bayswater Road with upper class patrons only, she is really treated like a princess. Then he has to leave the cute french beauty by her hotel entrance to take care of some business, but he leaves with her telephone number.
   And the young girl from Marseilles knows that at a deep level she has always had an URGE (+7) to be taken by a real man that will father her kids, protect and support the family, take care of her forever and treat her like the princess she really is. So when it later turns out the British guy is the real deal it is no problem for her to see that she really has a strong CLAIM (+7) on life for real happiness, love, romance, financial stability and high status. And this guy and all his very nice friends really love her cute accent, and the couple now PLANS marriage in 3 months. This guy isn't fooling around, he is all about ACTION.
   Tom accepts the loss, after a while he can see he was living in a DREAM REALITY, not giving the girl what was NEEDED (+7). Though he still plays his new bass guitar he has found some sense in his father's VISION (+5) and has now a new ATTITUDE (+4) in place that matches that kind of life a successful lawyer will have.
   Paul is still playing folk music with his friend, but has other more professional PROJECTS (+6) going as well. The sound guy Alex still complains about the rotten British overclass dudes that get everything for free.

End of drama, hope you liked it.

Ok, now I think the time is right to spring another one on you, and this is a bad one. You see, a normal person actually walks around in life with two very separate sets of postulates in him. The physical body itself has a set of concrete hard-wired stuff that you seldom see in it's raw form, and that is a good thing. The human body is a carbon-oxygen device created by God or Darwin or somebody. It runs very well when it gets what is needed, it repairs itself to some degree and it procreates to keep the species on the planet forever, a true Yatrus type postulate if you ever saw one. And this living device is loaded with postulates of many kinds, lots of it to keep the body running well despite all the stupid things people do with their physical person. A few professions know just about a tiny bit of this stuff but most of it is unknown at this time. The only things I am willing to share is:
      1. Don't mess with the postulate structure of the body, it is the way it is for some very good reasons.
      2. The postulates in the body can easily override the postulates of the spirit when the body finds it is really important.

The more visible set of postulates a person walks around with are the ones that doesn't really belong to the body, they belong to the spirit as they have been acquired by him over time. These are the things I have described here earlier except when I'm talking about the "deeper level". You see, you pick up some of the body's postulates as "feelings" and "emotions" and "urges" and "needs" and such stuff. You FEEL thirsty sometimes, and have a NEED to sleep, you feel an URGE to turn around and look at those girls. This is body talk. You can act on many of these impulses if you want to or you can do it at a later time. Your body will forgive you for being a bit late, well maybe. But the body's strong (important) urges will override you just like that. And the only thing you can do is afterwards try to explain why you acted in that way. Most such explanations are not near the truth as people have little understanding of the power of a living body, they can just stand back and watch in fascination as nature tries to take it's course.

      One can say that the postulates that do not reside in the physical body belong to the spirit. I'm talking about YOU. These postulates are much more easy to create, destroy, change the importance of and so on. Do as you like, it's your property. But it comes with a price. First I have to confess that a lot of the human body's postulates are not very nice stuff at all, especially things that pertains to relations with other people. It is what it is, get over it. And if you try to change those programs you might make the body rather ill, because they are more like hardware than software. But changing the spirit's own postulates are generally very safe, usually it's about changing your taste or plans or opinions or hopes and dreams.

      But there is some stuff that one should be very careful with, some ATTITUDES you might have heard about. We are talking about WRATH, GREED, SLOTH, PRIDE, LUST, ENVY and GLUTTONY. They have different names in different cultures and at different times, but you know what I'm talking about here. The thing is that all these postulates are built into the body to some degree, a little different in each body. But they are there, sometimes dormant. Well, if the spirit (you) get those same kind of ATTITUDES going, the force of this stuff will multiply and you get to become a type of person that can be somewhat destructive both to yourself and others. You don't want to have these same postulates aligned from both the body and the spirit, it's just too much. That's the story of the DEADLY SINS.

      So one can observe that a few confusions arise in the presence of postulates. We have own postulates, other people's postulates, your body's postulates, other bodies' postulates, imagined postulates, nature's postulates, the real or imagined postulates of God, Darwin, Shiva, the government or your local political party or golf club. And postulates do not need to be real to be perceived by you or others.

      When postulates of some importance get wrongly assigned, mislabeled or likewise confused you get something called SMOKE. This is a mental phenomenon that obscures visibility of what is around you in life. It is personal stuff as different people have their heads filled with SMOKE regarding different subjects, but at this time there is SMOKE everywhere so we might believe we share it. No, if you manage to get your head cleared somewhat it will only help others a little bit, this is your own fog made up from your own mistakes and sloppiness. Also I would guess that more than 90 percent of it is from your spiritual part, you cannot blame your body for this as the SMOKE is mostly about YOUR postulates. A mixup of your own and your body's postulates will create SMOKE and is done by lots of people all the time.

      So it is not wise to blame your body for the fog in your head and the distorted reality that goes with it. At this time and on this planet the human body is a much less contaminated entity than the spirit that thinks he owns it. Most spirits are in bad shape. They are in such a bad shape that they are unable to do very much unless they have a body as a servo mechanism. The body goes along with most things as it is a good natured animal with few postulates that conflict with the spirit's erratic ideas. But as the years go by many bodies will not have fulfilled their simple goals as society create more and more barriers for them without knowing about it. This will introduce SMOKE into the body too and it gets sick and dies before it's time. Early in the Bible it says the Lord estimates a body's lifespan to be about 120 years.A stupid spirit and an ignorant society will of course shorten this to the point that it needs drugs and metal spare parts to go beyond 50. SMOKE can be cleared away and it starts with sorting out the person's confused ideas about most things. And it also starts with stopping the destructive actions he is taking on a daily basis if he is that kind of spirit.

As I wrote up this stuff I came to think of a few more flavors of postulates:

AN INTERPRETATION      This is a postulate you make that kind of translates what you see or hear into what you think it actually means. For some reason women and gays do this a lot.

AN EXPERIENCE         It puts you at effect so that what is or was happening is reaching your perceptions.

AN APPROVAL         Some people are very generous and give you this. It's a trap because after a while you think you need it.   
A REFUSAL            Pushing something away, great stuff and can be used on most things.
A DENIAL            Saying that some INTERPRETATION or PICTURE isn't the right one.

A REASON            Also called an EXPLANATION. This is a very sneaky and important postulate flavor that I will hide here among the others so that very few will find it. REASON is the attempt to make something rational, to put it on an analytical "level".Hehe, you might have noticed people have lots of rather funny reasons for everything and that should tell you something.
A SUPPORT         A hint that you have the same kind of postulate, a SUPPORT can be by action alone or just verbal.

A CHOICE            A DECISION between different postulates.

A REVENGE         An ACTION in retribution to some earlier ACTION considered harmful or insulting.

AN OWNERSHIP         Made by yourself and others to describe that you can do what you like with that thing you own. Note that in most countries you can own a house but you are not allowed to burn it down, So there are often limits put in place.

A STATUS            Important part of existence as it seeks to establish position, abilities and so on in a game. It should be about specific things: "Roy is the specialist here when it comes to marinating chicken". But it often degenerates down to who is cool and who is uncool.

A RESPECT            This is a partially analytical and partially emotional often continuing consideration that you admire or fear or recognize high ability in someone. I will pick this apart a little more below as it is one very important and a bit tricky flavor.

You see RESPECT is a concept located both at a spiritual level and in animal bodies, but in different ways and often confused. Many kinds of animals have a pecking order system or a ladder of status or whatever you want to call it. Complex stuff about ability, age, gender, beauty, strength and other things. This is important stuff in the human ape and will override most rational thinking in the spirit that inhabits the body. In addition the person (spirit) has his own viewpoints about who is able and important or ugly or an idiot. So the concept of respect and status is often thoroughly mixed up in the composite called a human person. He is craving RESPECT and is often unwilling to give it, often based on feelings in the body instead of rationality.

      Ok, one might have noticed that some postulates are about what is happening around you right now and other postulates are kind of dormant stuff, but still there in your space "when needed". For example, you can have this person with an URGE to steal money. But there is no money around and he's not going to be a bank robber as that requires a slightly different postulate, a somewhat more violent or heroic kind maybe. He needs a special circumstance to trigger this postulate into action, something I call a MIRROR. And if you put this guy in charge of the cash belonging to an organization you might find it will be enough of a reflection from the past to make him pocket a small amount of that cash.

      A MIRROR is a likeness in present time to some circumstance in the past that contained some heavy confusion. And part of that picture is in his case the action of stealing money. Many philosophies neglect the fact that a MIRROR doesn't need to be destructive, lots of them are neutral and some are very positive. The feelings of nostalgia are typical examples of stuff that people consider positive reminders from the past. I don't really have strong feelings about this mechanism. Some make it a profession to get rid of MIRROR stuff, others concentrate on positive thinking to cover it up. So in a person we often have a package of forced (fake) positive thinking covering up all the things I have talked about here.

      SMOKE is the result of living with a confusion of postulates from different sources, spiced up with MIRRORS showing up from time to time. You will be told lots of crap about the situation and will start to make new incorrect postulates about it, creating even more SMOKE. Then they will tell you to think positively just to get through the day, yeah right.   
      My own experience is that positive thinking is a natural state that will gradually show up if one alternates back and forth with handling SMOKE and MIRRORS. Several techniques exist in these areas and I have not tried all. My point is that POSTULATES are more fundamental than these things as they are always earlier. Ok, now you can go to the top and read this thing again. It's not long.


General Discussion / Re: Postulates and the difference between..
« on: July 17, 2015, 02:14:18 pm »
Some time ago I suddenly understood why it is called a FLAVOUR.

These postulates are almost all of them put together by several postulates, or ingredients if you wish   :D

AN ACTION is the cleanest flavour as far as I can see. All the other have smaller more defensive postulates mixed in that indicates that the person making them is not at all fully cause. These different additions give them their unique flavour that makes them all different.

The postulate about what shall be delivered and all the details.
The postulate that the other guy cannot be trusted so it is put in written form.
The postulate that this written thing will get others to help you if things go wrong.

And possibly several more in there...

Yes, I will find part 2 and post it.

General Discussion / Postulates and the difference between..
« on: May 24, 2015, 02:31:40 pm »
I found this some time ago on another disrelated internet site. It changed my thinking on this subject quite a bit.


                                      and the difference between
                                       Smoke and Mirrors

   Postulates  and postulate-like things come in lots of different flavors. In addition they come in 3 different types. The types are past, present and future and they are often somewhat combined. The postulate "I hope there will be nice weather tomorrow" is mostly about the future tomorrow, but it is a package including that one is postulating from today (present time). It also includes some knowledge or experience from the past for the postulate to even be made.

   The postulate "I'm rather sure he did not cheat on me on his trip to Paris" is made in present time but is all about the past, actually a specific period in the past. It is a package that also includes the woman's own experiences or things that she has heard about happening to others.

   A creative postulate like an intention can also have a "no expiration date", it is supposed to last (go on) until it doesn't. Plants and animals and marriages are designed like this, also cars and machinery of the highest quality. I read somewhere that this is called an Yatrus type postulate, named after some god or something. Then there are postulates that are nearly timeless, considerations like "that's just the way things are".

   "The mountain cabin should be warm now, that thermostat is a great thing" is a funny postulate. It is about the present, but the guy making the postulate is not totally sure so he uses the word "should". One of the reasons he is not sure is that he relies on a technical device to make his wishes come true. The first postulate here is the older and more general one made by the guy constructing the thermostat device: "it shall perform like this when that thing happens". Then the circuit does exactly that action (hopefully), but it is an automaticity with no thought or inspection present in real time. So I call this technical action a postulate-like thing. Then comes the action of the user of the device, a few weeks earlier he programs it to turn on the heat at a specific time and he now relies on a device to make the heating come true in present time. This often works great, but of course he might have done it differently if his children's lives depended on it.

   The different flavors of postulates are about several things, best shown by examples. You might have noticed that lots of people are living rather automated lives so it should be no surprise that a few of the flavors are only postulate-like or at least without personal responsibilities.

A WISH               Well, it's just a wish. It might happen, it might not. It's a bit weak, a bit defensive, a bit hopeful. It might be realistic or totally unreal. "I
                                 wish you two would stop fighting", well maybe tomorrow, maybe never..

A PLAN               Definitely most often about the future. More real versions are the synonyms PROGRAM and PROJECT.
                  These are often a bit more real or detailed. But a PLAN relies on today's ATTITUDES or CONSIDERATIONS.

A DECISION            This is the very causative flavor, it can be about the present or the past or the future and is equally powerful. And a
                  wrong DECISION about a present or past situation can be very harmful.

A BELIEF                Very often a believer just continues to believe, but it might be true. It's likely a continuing thing that changes little, so it gives the 
                                  illusion that time stands still. Powerful people don't believe for very long, they find out.

A DREAM                Famous American quote "I have a dream". It's not always very realistic, but can be very nice and positive. They use
                   the same word for unreal things you experience when you sleep. There is a reason for this.

A LOYALTY                A kind of continuing postulate to support someone or something, a bit like a contract. Can be very sticky stuff as
                   it is mixed in with earlier more general postulates about how bad it is to stop being loyal.

A HOPE                Can be realistic or unrealistic, remember the one about the weather. But all the same it is about things one is not
                   able or willing to be responsible for, someone else will do it. HOPE and BELIEF are postulates much used in
                   religion and welfare states.

A VISION                Related to a DREAM but not exactly the same. Could be an entrepreneur with a good one, but often used                   
                                  by politicians anyway. I give it a higher grade than DREAM though.

A CONSIDERATION     Very often just someone's view of the present, past or future, but fair enough. If the consideration is spot on                   
                                  it can really open up the way for ACTION that will get some results.

AN IDEAL SCENE     Considerations about how things ought to be, can be good or bad in many ways. Of course people focusing too much on ideal scenes
                                  might never achieve very much, but feel they were very right anyway.

A DEAL           Also called a CONTRACT or even a RESPONSIBILITY. Well this is where you find out what the person is                   
                                  made of. With a formal PROMISE like this one can always explain to others why he has to do what he has to do,
              that makes him safe. A person not  delivering on a DEAL is really taking risks, it will taint him in the eyes of
              anyone interested.

A RULE           Synonyms are a LAW or REGULATION or POLICY and I'm sure many more. These are pre-made automatic
              devices, so that human emotions shall not interfere too much with needed actions. Might be very needed or not.

AN IDEA           Related to CONSIDERATION, PICTURE and others. Often presented as something new.

AN ACTION        One of the cleanest postulates available. Please note that ACTION is all about the present and the future,                   
                                  and cares little of the past. That should tell me something, but I'm a bit slow..

A HABIT            I'm sure you know what a HABIT is, you're full of them. A kind of personal automatic action, often borrowed                   
                                   from someone you respected.

A CRAVING         A person wants it strongly at a deeper level, often at the level of the body, not so much about the spirit.

A FACT            Can also be called a KNOWLEDGE, I guess. Very much related to a CONSIDERATION and can be just as wrong.

A CLAIM            The special consideration that someone owes you something, for example your relatives or your workplace                   
                                   or the state. It might even be true if it was a DEAL or a CONTRACT involved.

A TRY            Related to an ACTION but admitting that it might not be possible.

A HISTORY                 Also sometimes called a STORY, an attempt to create a PICTURE of something that happened in the past.
               It has to have a little truth in it to stick, but the rest is doubtful stuff. Ask yourself "why am I told this story?".
               Anyway, this flavor of postulate is very much about the past.

AN ATTITUDE         A kind of frozen CONSIDERATION.

AN OPINION         A more temporary CONSIDERATION. More easy to change an OPINION than an ATTITUDE.

AN INTENTION         A more realistic thing than a PLAN, often by a person that has done it before and knows what he is doing.                   
                                   But an incompetent guy can have intentions too, they won't last long. By the way, ever heard a father ask                  
                                   "what are your intentions towards my daughter?" Take it as a compliment, he knows you are a powerhouse                  
                                   and is worried. If he asked "what are your dreams and hopes with my daughter?" then YOU should be worried.

A PURPOSE         Slightly different than an INTENTION, maybe often more long term and general, but definitely a synonym.
               You can agree or disagree with my definitions, but I'm sure you have one that works for you..

A MEMORY            A CONSIDERATION about something in the past, can be right or very wrong.

A PICTURE            A frozen part of a MEMORY, a picture can change so don't trust it.

A REALITY            A more comprehensive set of CONSIDERATIONS, ATTITUDES, OPINIONS, MEMORIES, HOPES and                   
                                   whatever you like to have in there. A REALITY is not what is out there, remember all people have vastly                   
                                   different REALITIES so of course yours is partly wrong too. But as your alternative is BELIEFS it is the best                   
                                   thing to have at this time. Smart guys improve on their reality along the way.

AN ABILITY         A CONSIDERATION that someone or something can perform the ACTION. Beware, it might not be true (any more).

AN IMPULSE         Related to an URGE but there are differences. Both can be automatic or even coming from the body.

   So these are some of the usual flavors of postulates, I am sure you know about a few that I have overlooked. That is ok. What separates the flavors are the differences in how real the thing is, the frozenness of it, how automatic it is, how practical or analytical it is. And very much who or what are considered responsible.

   A postulate about the future takes it's flavors from mainly two things. How likely it is that it will happen, and who or what will do the job. Of course personalities and circumstances play a big part in the likelihood. And ability, attitude and responsibility are among the things that decide who will do it. There is the old saying: "Give it to a very busy man and it will be done in a short time". A lot of people also think that God is the guy responsible for what's going to happen. It might even be true.

   But at this point my plan is to introduce the POWERLESS-19 SCALE which is mostly about future type postulates.

                  -9      It's not gonna happen
                  -7      Very unlikely
                  -5      Will probably not happen
                  -2      Might not happen
                   0      50/50 chance it will happen or not
                  +2      Might happen
                  +5      Will probably happen
                  +7      Very likely
                  +9      It's going to happen

   Ok, the reason the scale only goes to 9 in both direction is that when we are talking about the future you never really know for sure until it's over.
And it has it's funny name because one is totally powerless at the extreme points of this 19-step scale. There is some hidden conclusion buried here, but I have not picked it up yet.

   And of course, I have put the minus part at the top because most things never happen.

   One of the more prominent and very important things about postulates is their tendency to exclude other possibilities, especially the more powerful or causative postulate flavors. When you have DECIDED that the butler was the murderer you tend to forget about the possible secret cousin from the past. Making a postulate or two is a bit like starting to paint yourself into a corner.

Definition:    Postulate = A causative thinking or action that by it's nature to some degree will exclude other possibilities.

   The fact that postulates will hinder other postulates is a vast area to cover and it takes time for the consequences of this to really sink in. I will just hint that this is stuff that can blow your abilities mile high if you get a grip on it.

   Well, postulates are great for creating games. Actually the definition of a game is postulates in conflict or opposition. So here we come to some new concepts:

                  Postulates can be totally aligned.
                  Postulates can have nothing to do with each other.
                  Postulates can be in conflict to some degree.

                  Postulates can be somewhat aligned.

                  Postulates can be in opposition.

And of course everything in between.

Aligned:               Both mom and dad wants to go on holiday to Bulgaria in December.

Unrelated:                    Mom is scared when seeing a spider, dad plans to watch football on TV.

In conflict to some degree:           Dad wants to save some money for a new car, mom wants to stay at the most expensive hotel in Bulgaria.

Somewhat aligned:         Mom and dad make plans for Bulgaria, Johanna just wants to go some place she can find a nice beach.

In opposition.            George wants to undress Johanna when they get to her room. He doesn't tell her father.

A fun thing about postulates is that they can disappear if you are not careful. This happens when the postulate becomes less and less important to the person that has it or is creating it. As you might have observed this can happen in seconds if reality shifts too fast. The trip to Bulgaria can suddenly be totally irrelevant when mom finds out that 17 year old Johanna is pregnant. Importance is the deciding factor.

   My theory is that a lot of people can only hold a few postulates of very high importance. So when a new one shows up another one might dive to the bottom, to near zero.

   Let me introduce my CRAZY-21 SCALE. This is the scale of IMPORTANCE of the subject covered by the postulate. The idea is a 1-10 scale of how important something is to the individual. It goes to ten in both directions with a zero in the middle, that makes 21 steps. Let me show you:

                  +10      Crazy on the subject
                  +9      Willing to be extremely destructive
                  +8      Very important that it does happen
                  +5      Should happen
                  +2      Would like it if it happened
                    0      I don't care
                  -2      Would not like if it happened
                  -5      Should not happen
                  -8      Very important that it does not happen
                  -9      Willing to be extremely destructive
                  -10      Crazy on the subject

So an easy way to understand this is applying it to a football match. For the players the scale is only allowed to go to 8 in both directions, it's very important that you win and very important that they lose. The fans do not obey this maximum 8 rule, that's why we have police there when the more retarded ones move into levels 9 and 10. These people of course view me as crazy as I didn't even know what match was taking place. This is the peaceful existence at zero on most subjects, called Nirvana by some. The crazy-21 scale can also be used about the present or the past, but for most people it's about the future.

Let us look at how a couple of games could unfold in a (close to) real life drama.

(end of part one, there are only two parts)

General Discussion / Re: Questions about TROM
« on: April 16, 2015, 05:40:22 pm »
I am doing Level 3.

So, it looks like nobody else wanted to give you their opinions on Level 5...
You can have my viewpoint, but first I have a question  :)

Do you have a background in THAT "church" ?
It is easier for me to explain my views when I know where you are coming from.

General Discussion / Re: Questions about TROM
« on: April 08, 2015, 11:29:16 pm »
Hi, this is how I do it:

I just invent something in my mind, something that has some (maybe slight) importance.
Also, I just invent a situation where someone else does kind of the same thing.

It's been some time since I looked at Level 5 (I'm doing a lower level).
I might take a look and come back to you if nobody else chimes in.
Not much traffic here right now   ;D

I had a discussion with another guy regarding FPRD (False Purpose Rundown), one of the more workable actions they will sell you in the "church".
So he convinced me to write up my opinions right here, so that others could agree or disagree with my stuff. Fair enough.

TROM of course gets rid of things in your mind by reducing it's importance to something like nothing   :D
Well, what gets reduced in importance is POSTULATES or the synonyms like HOPES, DREAMS, CONSIDERATIONS and many others.
TROM is good stuff, of course used by very few people. Funny how the really good stuff is never widely used on this planet, hehe..

But I was talking about FPRD..
The rundown was introduced in the early eighties and it is all about getting rid of a person's "evil" or "false" purposes.
A PURPOSE is of course one of the flavours of a POSTULATE. And in the FPRD bulletins it is very clear that one is hunting for a postulate.
So the procedure is a kind of a dianetics flow 2 thing. One finds a charged overt, finds earlier similar overts, finds a destructive postulate.
Then one finds a confusion at that time and spots the earliest point in that confusion.
There is a special type of smile that will appear and most often the e-meter will have a persistent floating needle and the person will have to take a break.
Maybe a break for several days.

Ok, I have done a few things in that church. But everything else paled compared to the changes in personality that happened on FPRD.
TROM does the same thing, but more controlled and cleanly, without the evaluations that are always present in a church environment.

Workable definition: EVALUATION = A postulate (usually false) that is not yours, but they want you to make a similar postulate yourself.

There is a story about the early clears that were made in 1949 and 1950. Yes, they went rather sane and free of craziness and stuff.
But they also put aside their ambitions in life and just left to do fun things instead. "Where are all the clears?"
I have heard lectures where LRH tries to explain this or partially refute it to the audience. Not always very convincingly   :o
His ideal scene was that they should stay around the church and help "clear the planet" which was the only worthy postulate.

Well, he developed processes that produced other kinds of "betterment", but not that special kind of free will clears that were the earliest ones.
I will tell you a secret, those kind of free will gains were mostly produced by running dianetics flow 2 (overts). At this time only 3 flows were known.
But in the Dianetics book everything is about flow 1. And gradually they lost the ability to produce clears.

Ok, let us skip 30 years and move to 1980. Good people like Dennis is long gone and the church is in trouble legally and in need of money.
Many of the tech people are robots and the public is not always so happy, they are complaining. Staff are unhappy too, many are kicked out the next years.
The OT levels are changed around, new levels introduced, always revised and changed again. Things are not going well.
But the whole idea is that people shall stay, continue to pay, do their next level, pay more, buy a repair, get a setup, buy some FPRD..

Did you hear that last one? What? Where did FPRD come from?
Yes, without anyone really noticing, something had happened. Somebody (hehe, they claimed it came from LRH) had put together some old workable stuff.
It was pitched to the church as a rundown that would earn them a lot of income, make the public moving on the bridge and willing to pay for their next level.
And the church got tricked and released it as a wonderful LRH product based on the tech of "the prior confusion".
Too funny, the guys that did this write-up must have laughed themselves silly doing this to the church.
Going full circle back to what worked in 1949, but this time codified with brilliantly working repair lists and use of the meter. And no part of it is confidential.
That means it cannot really be removed again, there will always be FPRD lists floating around somewhere. That was planned too.

Oh boy, many that got themselves some FPRD just left. And many others just got to be "difficult" public, just doing what they pleased. Too funny.

But we never hear about it these days. Strange how the really good stuff is never widely used on this planet   ;)


General Discussion / The ego thing
« on: November 29, 2014, 04:33:00 am »
Ok, so I had a look at that Ray Kemp video that Colleen had found. I always were curious about these people.
I also read Colleens comment about their ego thing, and that Scio sometimes had a tendency to kind of boost such behaviour.
A very good observation, and it got me thinking.

Because building up an ego is going in the wrong direction casewise, Scio is actually adding new stuff to people's cases.
But this is not a Scio thing, competent people have a tendency to get big egos in every kind of environment.
This just confirms that the church had no solution for this common problem. Aha, another blind spot in the holy TECH    ;D

Well, nothing is holy to me. So here is the ego mechanism and how it works among humans:
It starts with the GE, or the human ape as Dennis used to say. This creature has some social habits that are not very nice.
And one of these is to ignore others to some degree when he feels they are lower status apes, like old or ugly or not smelling "right".
The younger GE's do this a lot, and the spirits in their head don't really think it is very important when they treat older people a bit different.

But the older more experinced (in this lifetime) spirits pick up on this, and start to resent it. Why should they be ignored when they are both competent and experienced?
And they don't know a good way to handle this situation of being disrespected or ignored. They don't know about the ape's old (outdated) social mechanisms.

So instead they start to change their personality to compensate for the recurring situation, they start to point out god things about themselves.
They tell (true) stories about what they have achieved and how cleverly they handled things, and maybe how others respected them   :)
This is called building an ego.

The corny thing is that the younger apes have another social mechanism that makes them feel that boasting apes are low value.
Females feel this thing best, they instantly pick up on boasting or big ego apes. It signals that something is fake. Ego building does not really work.
There are better and more sneaky ways to get around being ignored by the young idiots   ;D
So even when the great stories are true, they will always lead to negative feelings in the GEs around. And those GE feelings are all a spirit really has.
You know, a spirit will only have his body as long as it furnishes sensations and feelings and experiences that the spirit cannot create on his own.

So this is my take on these things. I will now go somewhere else to feed my own ego. It's great to be an old ape..

Other technology about bettering the body / Re: The Fantastic Fabian Method
« on: September 09, 2014, 06:08:35 am »
Ok, I found a few more things that I do (or don't do) regarding my physical body.

9. I take Potassium pills when it is hot in the summer. Working a few weeks in Los Angeles I learned about this as my own country is a colder place.
I have also started to take "cell salts" which also have been very effective. I'm not sure about the theory behind it, but I don't care because it works.

10. I have learned to have a good relationship with my body's GE (genetic entity). Earlier on I thought it was only about me and the physical body, but there is actually another guy present too. It's a bit like being in a car with 2 drivers, but the other guy (the GE) is more like a mechanic or a janitor. Still he can occationally grab the wheel, and he is mostly the guy in charge when I sleep and when some healing is going on. He is actually doing maintenance on the body all the time and I have found out a little about how he works. Like many effective janitors he is a kind of rough an impatient personality, things should be done NOW.
So in a healing process he will not wait around for me to eat something he needs, he will take it from somewhere else in the body. This can be unpleasant but now I know the reason, this guy knows what he is doing. Given time and materials he can do impressive repair work on the body as he has his priorities all worked out.
Getting in communication with the GE can be good, he is not a very polite guy but he feels better when he knows you are aware of his presence and his work. He does not talk, but one can get an impression about what he wants. Often it can be something like "why don't you eat your minerals, you idiot?"

Other technology about bettering the body / Re: The Fantastic Fabian Method
« on: September 09, 2014, 05:30:12 am »
The word ITEM is from a Scio auditing action called "Listing and nulling". I will give you an example:
A session is in progress and it has been established that the PC has romantic type problems that he has lots of attention on. The auditor tests several questions on the e-meter and decides that the most charged one is "Why do your wives always leave you?"
So he gets the PC to come up with different answers to it while he notes down the reads.

I'm not rich
I have bad breath
I'm a technically poor lover
I have poor taste in clothes
I get angry too often
I'm a nerd
Women are generally bad

These different answers are called ITEMS.
At the end of the action the auditor will give the PC the ITEM that had the biggest read. Sometimes the ITEM is wrong.
Sometimes it will be very obvious and the PC will not accept the item, but it happens too that he accepts something that is not correct in his case.
Then he is in trouble.

But a "Listing an nulling" action can happen in life too, one can walk around asking oneself these things and come up with answers that might be wrong.
People do it all the time, but it has to be a charged area to produce trouble..

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