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Oh, boy, yes!  And that's why we are here, taking out the trash. 

The mind can be a beautiful thing once the trash is taken out, especially in the "To Create" postulate sets, i.e., colors, line, form, shapes, textures - attachments and aversions.

Aaaahhhh torture and murder - well it was okay after I went exterior, lol   :)

Other technology about the mind / Re: Radical Honesty
« on: July 17, 2018, 02:25:34 pm »
Some bosses can have a heart of gold and still be a micro-manager, but it sounds like manager's lack of trust is about some unresolved overts re not being trustworthyi, plus some prior motivators.  He's just key'ing in other's incidents re lack of trust, etc., sigh.

Level one TROM / Re: RI: Lemon Aid
« on: July 17, 2018, 02:12:11 pm »
Yes, the 360 practice makes a difference and I don't know why, but it produces massive yawns once I put it 360.

The problem is often I get sooooo relaxed I want to take a nap instead of moving into timebreaking.

Thank you. The link did work.

Do you think there might be a difference between a compulsive games player and a voluntary games player re this dual universe? 

There are some techs that specialize in helping one merge their dualities.

Dennis talks about equanimity, serenity, and the joy of competency.

Other technology about the mind / Re: Radical Honesty
« on: July 16, 2018, 09:22:28 am »
Cory, too bad you have to suppress how you feel about your boss.  Watch out for those covert game strategies.

BTW, did you know that "To Control" is actually a life goal, but it can degrade into non-life goals like to manipulate or to dominate or tyrannize.

I hope you get to blow off some energy re your boss so that he won't be able to make your life miserable at work.

The New Testament advice to early Christians was to speak the truth in love, and "brutally honest" sounds opposite, because of the adjective "brutal". My Trom twin is "carefully honest" with me (politely honest) because he has seen me blow a gasket at times until I saw my own overts and calmed down again.

How about instead of being brutal we first look for our own associated overts and motivators?

Other technology about the mind / Re: Enneagram
« on: July 16, 2018, 09:07:11 am »
Oh, OKAY.  It reminds me of the Meyers-Briggs data about personality types.
It is good for creative must-be-known'ers to study such things about others because they tend to want to not-know about others, depending upon their degree of compulsivity. Since they fear rejection it would do them well to study various systems of personality types so as to be better able to go complementary rather than suffer rejection, and risk taking another ride on the overt/motivator roller-coaster  :-)

Imo it means that two people who have opposing views collide and become contaminiated with one another if they communicate disagreement. Even if by means of communication one player decides to agree with the oppenents postulate anout something the original postulate he had then became contaminated or in other words it changed his original idea from one to another. For example, He loved bread but someone said there is arsenic in it and he doesn't like arsenic because its poison and thus his postuale changed and he doesnt eat bread because of the opponents view.

... or he decides to make his own bread with good flour made from ancient wheat grains, or he feels so much better not eating bread that he realizes better gut health because of it.... or he researches on i'net and finds out that millet bread is healthier and tastes just as good.  It is hard to box in a being who is in reality an unlimited eternal spiritual being and knows it; however I do see what you are saying can and does happen often. 

For example, if your spouse loves (must know) pepperoni pizza, and you know it is not healthy for the body, but they eat it all the time .... possibly sooner or later you will find yourself eating pepperoni pizza and even liking it (but maybe you take Oxy-Powder and your spouse does not) - is that what you mean?


What I had in mind was a store of kinetic energy. If RI is run frequently, good and constant momentum is maintained in session and in case gain.

Regards ,

Would you please describe that in more detail?  Could you give an example of this kinetic energy?  All I experience is
lots of yawning off of psychic energy - is that what you meant

Can you see the Must-Be-Known postulate at work here?

"People with this personality disorder commandeer the role of "life of the party." Interests and conversation will be self-focused. They often use physical appearance to draw attention to themselves. Emotional expression may be shallow and rapidly shifting. Their style of speech is excessively impressionistic and lacking in detail. They may do well with jobs that value and require imagination and creativity but will probably have difficulty with tasks that demand logical or analytical thinking."

The must-be-known is so busy compulsively creating effects to be liked (inviting rejection) that they have little reserved mentality to actually know the "other".  Some clever or well-advised ones will use some system of analysis to know what effects are best to create,  The best to-be-known artist is intuitive, and competent with their tools, having no fixations (attachments or aversions) re aesthetic components, such as colors or sounds.

I think many You-Tube channel creators are must-be-known'ers and some are very well liked for their looks and charms and personality and chosen lifestyle.  They tend to be upset by "trolls" (usually telling them they are shallow or vapid, or ill dressed, etc.), and will often post a video talking about their trolls' remarks, dramatizing rejection by some "well meaning" must-not-know person who has to make themself known in order to loudly reject. 
Oh, dear oh dear oh dear oh dear when will it ever come to a resolution?

Plus more details in the article link above.  This article must have been written by a "Don't Want to Know You" person, lol!

On p.22 of The TROM book, I see two sentences which confuse me:

The first one is: """All the subject of reason limit the possible and define the reasonable"""

This is not a well-formed English sentence. What do you suppose the author was trying to express here?

Next we read: """The most reasonable postulate is a complementary postulate"""

The reason this confuses me is that I wonder why a postulate needs to be complementary to anything: it stands on its own.

Good question. Does a postulate really stand on its own in an interactive game with "others"?  Yes perhaps in Flow 0 (self to self) that is true.  For example, if I wish to populate my secret planet with "only me's", exact duplicates...?

In the Old Testament the O.T. deity once said, "Come and let us reason together..." For example, if my partner is looking at his past and projecting [bad or manic] futures based on scenes from the past then I can look him in the eyes and attempt to bring him back to present time reasoning, based upon what is now here. I can even ask them to tell me what scene they are looking at, specifically ("Did that happen to you before?") . 

Not-reason tends to be very generalized, such as "I don't have a life!".  I tend to associate reason with logic.  Some questions that invoke reason  instead of unfettered and frustrated ambition are, "What is your next step?", and so we agree what is the next step and the universe and society will tell us what sub-steps we need to take to reach that next step.  For example, before purchasing tools for a new business or putting time into a new business (the next step) we must have all monthly bills current; we must be in good health, mentally and physically up to the challenge, or we will be zug-zwanged.  Setting too high goals doomed to failure only give our ego bragging rights for how much of a failure we are (inverse ego).

Dennis talks about being zug-zwanged (spelling?) by rules or by universe laws, which happens to all to a greater or less extent.  Most people are zug-zwanged by violating the biochemical and anatomical realities of the human body intelligence, thus bringing disability upon themselves, physically and emotionally, thus prematurely ending a promising upward statistic re their business or occupation.  For example, Steve Jobs.

To put it in a nutshell, reason is being complementary to unavoidable, unsurmountable rules and laws (by your considerations and group considerations, and universe physics).  However, Pete tells the story of how he beat the tax man with a pan-determined postulate.... and he achieved complementary postulates = no more gaming.

Contagion with opposing postulates happens all the time.  The school system is designed to produce “good “ citizens who go to work and pay taxes because it is the right thing to do.  But if you see that the government is corrupt then paying taxes is the wrong thing to do.
A kid falls in love with a certain girl but she rejects him and he decides he is no good.
A team has a loosing season and decides that they are second rate players.

All of these are contagion by opposing postulates. Life is full of them.


Like when I make optimistic conjectures only to be automatically countered with negativity over and over again, until I "learn".   :)

General Discussion / Re: Jordan Peterson Self Authoring Program
« on: July 15, 2018, 01:41:38 pm »
Yeah, man, that's the ticket for sure. 

Byron-Katie also advises something similar using her workbook, "The Work".
And you don't have to show it to anyone either.

General Discussion / Re: Definitions for Overt / Motivator
« on: July 15, 2018, 01:39:30 pm »
Hehe, an overt act for myself would be anything that would cause another to feel bad (or dead) and I get at least some momentary pleasure sensation from it - of course it had to be justified, either before or after.  For example, in a justified war if one were a voluntary sniper in a tree top and loved the sensation of inflicting others - plus might even get a medal and a nice pension ....  haven't we all been there?  We did just have two back to back world wars ....

Good sensation can be had from non-life goals, even if for only a moment.

Then of course there are the good sensations we compulsively seek from our life-oriented goals that have gotten out of hand and are compulsively enforced or prevented from the viewpoint of the "others".  For example, "You must eat my wonderful cooking...!"  Do I smell a motivator coming?    :D

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