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Level three TROM / Scene Changes Experienced during Timebreaking
« on: April 27, 2018, 12:06:06 pm »
For several days I've been timebreaking a scene of a favorite childhood home, mostly focusing on the house and the property... the lawn, the stairs, the carpet, etcetera.  The more I keep timebreaking/looking the more I see that was previously occluded.  I also can't help but wonder, "where was I?" during that time.

As the timebreaking progresses I start to see more and more details, but then at some point the fixed viewpoint unfixes and I find I can consciously zoom in and zoom out re the scene - similar to that Google Maps zooming function.

Then I start getting cognitions from a higher viewpoint - about creating, who's doing the creating, etcetera, and from that higher viewpoint many similar scenes or related concepts/importances flash by, timebreaking at breakneck speed.

Timebreaking helps return me to a more original, unencumbered, and at the same time all-encompassing viewpoint.

Level one TROM / What Does Dennis Mean by the Concept "The Governor"?
« on: April 27, 2018, 08:32:35 am »
Why did Dennis use the word "governor" to describe the purpose of RI?  I've been trying to ignore that word.

To me RI satiates the mind's need for importances by consciously giving it more mass until the mind goes quiet, and then the timebreaking can well begin, whether at the beginning of a session or during a session.

My view is the mind hates a vacuum, so at the end of the session I also do RI until the mind is satiated ("no more change").

Coming from a scientology background I prefer to call it "running havingness", or a havingness process, and I know Dennis studiously avoided using scientology terms.

The best analogy I can think of is a mouse having a feeding device that is filled with pellets, and the mouse presses the lever and gets the pellet until it is satiated.

The governor implies restriction, and I think of RI as feeding the mind.

RI governs (i.e., restricts) the mind's will nilly creation of importances, and propensity to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

I think, in that context, I am coming to a better understanding of why he used the word "governor"; whereas I tend to think of it as a "satiator" - it satiates the mind's need for importances: sensation, a game, a motivator, etc.

With RI you are getting complementary with the mind and at the same time getting command power over the mind without fighting with it. It reminds me of judo.  It feels good and imparts a peaceful feeling when run to no more change.

I could see myself giving classes in creative visualization per Dennis' instructs, and watching people get peaceful and enlightened about their mind and their ability to create.


Level two TROM / Re: March 29 '18 Session Win with Level Two
« on: April 24, 2018, 04:25:56 pm »
Many thanks to you and much gratitude for you going the extra mile (literally) to make Dennis' work accessible, thank you, sir.

Level two TROM / Re: March 29 '18 Session Win with Level Two
« on: April 24, 2018, 10:09:03 am »
Hello rvh,

It is great you have done Level Two, and might need merely a re-tread before starting into Level Three.

Truthfully, I should be on Level 4 by now, if I had not allowed myself to be distracted with "more important" interests, of which I have many at any one time... my creative urges are strong. It's as Dennis said, the desire to play is greater than the desire to vanish the mind.

The best thing I ever did, besides finding Dennis' data, was to get into a good working relationship with a long time friend who also became a Trommer shortly after I introduced it to him.

We work over skype almost every a.m. and he has been a big help to me.  We are on Level Three, running only mostly pleasure scenes after running RI until no more change - which can sometimes take up almost the whole session time.  Why we did not do this sooner - we both marvel at that. I think in the beginning we made the trom practices seem difficult and hard to duplicate.  Do you recall where Dennis said the first time he tried out Level Two it knocked him for a loop?  I think the exact words he used was that it nearly took his head off, or something like that. The same with my own case.

I studied most of Ron's materials and have had hundreds of hours of auditing outside the church - some of it actually useful, lol!

I am currently dedicated to testing out trom practices and theory, and am not doing any other practices.
Last year I did have an auditor run the "To Handle" process on me re my caretakers as a youth, with fantastic results re learned covert game strategies. I've also had some of John Galusha's tech run on me with fantastic results re stuck identity-forming postulates. That did calm my mind and helped stop me from crying about my case.

Currently we timebreak mostly pleasure scenes or scenes that are not heavy with trauma, and we feel this is a good gradient for us.  We kept asking ourselves how Dennis could have thought timebreaking was fun, and now we have an answer.  He also said not to be a martyr, and he was obviously a big believer in correct gradients. One has to find their own "sweet spot" or comfortable gradient from Level Three into Level Four.

Take as long as you need to take and make it fun, as you keep pushing the envelope on a good gradient for yourself. Just the fact that you put attention on your case and onto the inner workings of your mind and the minds of others, and learning about complementary postulates as opposed to contentiousness - you may get distracted but you will keep coming back until the job is done.

My twin and I are loving doing our practices more than ever before.  We look forward to our timebreaking sessions.
Currently we are timebreaking rather innocuous scenes from our childhood homes - taking a tour - and change is occurring, and we are having fun developing our timebreaking abilities.  This is real beginner level of Level Three.

My latest major case change is letting go of a need to know it all intellectually, and life became simpler, more humble, and I left the remaining Facebook groups where I was sharing my extensive knowledgebase and experience with others, answering questions. I did a hat write-up and de-activated Facebook, and I unsubscribed from a dozen Youtube channels.  I am no longer that person/postulate set  :)

Other technology about the mind / Re: Radical Honesty
« on: April 21, 2018, 08:58:37 pm »
Yes, any trained scientologist could have set that up better, i.e., theory plus practical, plus some simple scio tech. Besides, being brutally honest sounds like it could be a non-life goal ... honesty either creates more separation ... or it closes the gap.

But, yesterday I took my RI to another level and RI'd "another" by actually being them, getting into their viewpoint re their importances, and that gave me another reveal on how our minds create separation.

Ha, ha,  I'd timebreak that whole experience - might move along faster ....   :D

Other technology about the mind / Re: Articles from Homer Wilson Smith
« on: April 21, 2018, 08:40:10 pm »
OKAY. In the church proper that would never happen, or else there would be consequences.
Did you ever experience that happening to yourself or someone you know?
In the past, once my pre-clear was keyed out and towards the end of the session we could sometimes laugh and joke, but it was mutual.  My own Freezone auditor and I would joke at the end of the session.

Other technology about the mind / Re: Enneagram
« on: April 21, 2018, 03:08:16 am »
Hi, Cory, it's very workable, isn't it?  Have you studied and used it?

Other technology about the mind / Re: Radical Honesty
« on: April 21, 2018, 03:06:40 am »
What a suprise to see this as a TEDx talk - a step forward for mankind :-)

Whenever I attempt this process or something similar but with more direction (i.e., "What am I") mind-stuff keeps coming up and out.   There is discharge accompanying this approach or else it would not be worth doing.

"What am I" is the question asked in Kwan Um Zen.
Focusing on "I am" cuts all thought at the root because behind every thought is the thought "I am this" or "I am that"

I believe as Dennis says that the reason these sorts of processes come to a grinding halt is lack of some sort of havingness process.

I suppose when you are a Buddhist and trying to drop all attachment, you dont want any havingness :)
If this came to a halt or got boring, you could go on to Koan practice.

You will notice that Niz probably got his havingness from smoking -- just a guess.

I dont know what you mean by "havingness process" and "getting havingness". Can you give some examples?

Dennis calls "havingness", Repair of Importances, and cites it as necessary for as long as we still have a mind that abhors a vacuum due to erasure during timebreaking.  It smoothes the path, temporarily quiets the mind. If I don't run havingness, or R.I. I get the munchies (havingness of mass).  Any creative practice could probably be equivalent.

Other technology about the mind / Re: Articles from Homer Wilson Smith
« on: April 21, 2018, 02:54:05 am »
An auditor is one who asks questions and listens, with the intent
of helping a pc clear some area of charge in his life.

What if the auditor erupts in laughter at the incident the pre-clear is relating? Then what?
Did you ever get an answer to your question?  I used to want to be an auditor, and now I'm very happy just being a welcome "Prresence" while the person on the other end does the RI and Timebreaking.  So much less effort  :)

Worksheet for working towards a more complementary attitude towards self and another.


There are many, many live sessions on Youtube.

Other technology about the mind / Metta (Lovingkindness) Meditation
« on: April 21, 2018, 02:42:16 am »
A buddhist meditation towards being complementary with life.

As a Trommer you might find this complementary.  As a trommer I would qualify some words with "fixed...." or "compulsive ...", and I would change "control" to "dominate" or "manipulate". 
That's the problem with translations - one must subjectively know in order to fully correctly translate.

What I appreciate about Zen is its emphasis on practice and not so much on ritual and moral teachings.

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