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Yes, Dennis was a well running PC too.  Of course - he was the reincarnation of Lao Tszu, the compiler of the Tao Te Ching - one of my favorite wisdom classics.

You set a stellar example for how to run the TROM practices and processes, thank you.

Hi there!  You are sooo right - great advices, thank you.  I think Dennis at first had that problem with Level Two and so he came up with the RI. Yes, one has to be really on the ball and stick to the plan, the instructions, before closing up shop or throwing in the towel.

Nowadays, I find that when I do RI to relieve a particular stressor, almost immediately similar scenes start running - first the motivators, and then the overts.  It's quite therapeutic, especially concerning 2D incidents with my husband as the current restimulator/lock. 

My particular case always runs from entry into this universe up to now, and backwards and forwards earlier similars to whatever is related to present time stressor restimulator lock. It's quite therapeutic.

Yeah, the biggest no-no I'm usually guilty of is not running enough RI.

I wish you much progress with your practices and resolving fixed postulates.

Level two TROM / Why I did not want to anymore do Level Two (almost)
« on: June 16, 2020, 01:08:47 pm »

I started eagerly with Level Two and had results that pleased me, that it do its job; however one day while doing a Level Two session I happened to be seeing a tree in the backyard.  Suddenly I saw stacked up behind the tree hundreds of scenes of like kind and I was sorely shocked and dismayed that my condition was that bad - that I had never been seeing this tree alone in present time, and it had always been that tree and hundreds of facsimiles of trees. I do have a lot of restimulation re aspects of biospheres that needs to overall get resolved... a beautiful biosphere mock-up can be with the intention to trap a being into an aesthetic playing field.

Perhaps I did not priorly run enough RI?  Certainly ran a bunch after that stressful session. I never did run that session out to "no more change" - scaredy cat.

Level Two, as Dennis himself experienced, can initially be a ball breaker.  Best to get really good and thorough at running RI first in my experience, to keep your courage up, be in good health, and get to the resolution of a session.

Case studies / Life Changing Session with Robert DuCharme
« on: June 14, 2020, 07:08:36 pm »
The background story is a near death childhood trauma(s) restimulated incident of resisting interiorization into this universe and some very non-life nasty postulates I made against what I perceived to be the creator of this universe, and at first from a known polarity of separation and oneness - both being the creator and being separate from the creator - and mightily struggling against what seemed to be inevitable separation.  I also perceived this wall of postulates between us and, from my studies of Trom I reckoned it was the whole set of "To Know" postulates that i could not then successfully deal with.

I previously had - with the help of another auditor - been chipping away at this barrier and looking at all the struggles and the hateful revenge postulates I made and seeing how that caused a lot of degradation for myself and my "others" down the track to present time. Nevertheless still not resolved to my satisfaction due to its complexity.

I contacted an auditor I had worked with previously, Robert DuCharme, and we got to work.  The end of the session I was in an exterior viewpoint looking from a distance at what I perceived to be the creator and its universe that it seemed to be so enamored with.  After that I felt much calmer to this day and moved uptone into strong interest regarding this creator.  Ran repair of importances before and at end of session.

In my prior auditing with Robert he helped me move from a sub-human condition into enjoying being a more simple human. and he showed me the power of using the six-directions - moving a scene around in six directions to get more clarification.

Level one TROM / RI Saves the Day
« on: June 01, 2020, 09:44:04 pm »
I recently and suddenly dropped a chunk of fixated importances, plus the body is de-toxing and dropping non-life accumulated masses.  I did not jump on board immediately and repair this with enough RI and felt very bereft and "nothing to live for - no more compulsive need for sensation" until I realized what was going on: "Lady, you need to do some RI now"   lol.  Well, RI did the trick. 

I have "slideshow" on my monitor and kept putting those photos and pictures all around me, and it worked like a charm.  I'm weak at doing "another" because I already felt so much better... that shows how much I care  :)  however I will take requests, lol.

Many thanks to Ron, Dennis, Pete, and Corey, and all my auditors - all who helped me reach a decision point to learn to dance with the creator(s) of this universe after trillions running non-life goals against it.

General Discussion / Re: Peter
« on: April 06, 2020, 03:28:41 am »
Ditto.  We just purchased two sets of the TROM books he put on Amazon, and have saved all the data available from the Tromhelp website.  What more do I need?  Nothing at this point - I have need of nothing more   :)

General Discussion / Re: Who is using trom these days ?
« on: April 05, 2020, 01:05:04 am »
Thank you for thinking outside - ummmm - inside the box.   ;)

I've been using RI merely as a simple havingness process until the mind goes quiet and I can carry on with a session or a saner interaction with someone. It has worked to that extent - 360 degrees surround.

General Discussion / Re: Peter
« on: April 05, 2020, 12:47:03 am »
I emailed him at the email address I last had for him, and trust it is still current.  Update:  He is doing fine - hunkering down and enjoying it.  I did not ask him about TROM and he did not mention it either.

Read TROM here / Re: Comprehensive Glossary for TROM a Games Manual
« on: June 12, 2019, 02:40:48 pm »

Got it, and thank you.

Read TROM here / Re: TROM for Non-Scientologists Part Six
« on: June 12, 2019, 02:38:02 pm »

Thank you Guest54 for the "Trom for Non Scientologists" and I hurriedly copied and pasted all six sections into a personal use only .doc file and will read as soon as I am able, thank you.

General Discussion / Re: Who is using trom these days ?
« on: June 12, 2019, 02:13:03 pm »

Hello, and, yes, I did have charge come off doing this:  "Daughter, create me an ice cream cone" plus the six-directions process (front-back, up-down, left-right).  I imaged her (because I like seeing her too) all six times handing me an ice-cream cone and I'm still yawning off charge.

I think this way is more interactive, and I appreciate that.  Thank you.

General Discussion / Re: Why I TROM
« on: June 12, 2019, 02:05:07 pm »
Hello, Guest, I concur 100% with everything you wrote.  I've never before had such a level of certainty re vanishing case, and I've stopped further searching for a good DIY bridge to "native state", as Ron called it.  I'm not saying there is not another DIY bridge b/c I'm sure there is more than one way to skin a cat.  I'm saying trom theory and practices speak to me as someone with a long Scientology track, and like yourself, much of scientology datums, practices, and constructs are still useful.

General Discussion / Re: Who is using trom these days ?
« on: June 12, 2019, 01:51:53 pm »
Just reading trom and Dennis' emphasis on being complementary made me re-think my life and how I relate with my body intelligence, and with others.

His list of Junior Universes made me aware of my current trigger points.

His "To Handle" process helped me run off my parents' covert game strategies which I also adopted.

Level Two has helped me spot and process aesthetic or color hang-ups in a scene.

RI is a big help with my current creative project - being able to get 3D viewpoints and walkthroughs.  RI also once speedily saved me from death caused by too much negative psychic inflow.  RI helps me recover more quickly from an upset and able to expand my viewpoints and response options.

Trom also helped me see the value of calmly back and forth reasoning with others (To Reason goal set).

Trom helped me on social media to be aware of and take another approach to my "arch enemy" - the must not know case that dramatizes infliction as a motivator.

Trom's ethics code helped me be more aware of when I'm having "fun" at another's expense.

Dennis got me to doing more "touching" of the particles of sensation and emotion instead of sitting in a stew and resisting or expressing them, which has been especially helpful while experiencing de-tox somatics.

My initial difficulty was that Level Two sometimes brought up scenes that were hard for me to re-experience (for example an aesthetic implant scene involving certain colors), and I was not doing RI correctly, or was getting over-worked about how to do it.  I did have the CCH's (twice now).  Practice incorporating and balancing RI with Level Two and timebreaking does make it run smoother.
From my own experience I have to agree with Dennis that Level Two separates the men from the boys, so to speak - not his own words exactly, and I still don't much like running Level Two, but once I do make myself start a Level Two session I'm always glad I did.  And I'm still weak on doing "another" RI until no more change, and I often get an urge to quickie through it; however I also greatly enjoy that quietness of mind that comes from doing a good round of RI.

General Discussion / Re: Please message me if you need help
« on: June 12, 2019, 12:09:19 pm »
What you say indicates to me because in the Church I kept wanting to doze off while reading Dianetics until I finally got through the Div 6 Dianetics course and was allowed then to audit a few people.  What an awesome experience

I'm currently handling a nervous system and endocrine system condition with de-toxing protocols, and assigned a confusion condition to this mind/body/critters complex. As soon as that gets resolved and the mental fog gone I will re-visit trom with greater and sustainable resolve, and clear up any conceptual mis-understandings. 

I do however get a kick out of doing RI every day.  In the meantime I take to heart Dennis' advice to get to know this body intimately and work towards being more complementary with its basic biochemistry and anatomy and social urges.

BTW, have you done any clay demos re TROM?  Would you recommend any clay demos?

General Discussion / Re: Please message me if you need help
« on: June 12, 2019, 08:11:35 am »
Hello, TromFan and welcome to the forum.  I appreciate your skill level with Scientology and with Trom.  Yes, I do see that TROM, being too simple for complicated and distractable minds, could use a good undercut. 

For example, one of the best undercuts that was presented to me in Scientology was the Purif and the "Clear Body, Clear Mind" book, expounding the values of de-toxing the body before entering a course of mind clearing. This was also an ancient practice before starting a course or mission.

Also, I can see if a Scientologist is doing a deeper Conditions by Dynamics and is in awareness level of "confusion" on the first dynamic - mind, body and possessions - to grasp the fundamental simplicity of trom and its practices helps one take a stand and be able to sort out dire confusion re their own mind.

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