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Level three TROM / Re: Is Timebreaking a Fun Activity For You?
« on: April 03, 2018, 07:39:32 am »
Karalee - can you please provide some detail on John's procedure?

Hi Karalee - yes you did, thank you very much!

Trom Graphs and Pictures / A little fun!
« on: March 09, 2018, 06:27:56 am »
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Here's a wordcloud image built from TROM @

General Discussion / Re: Definitions for Overt / Motivator
« on: March 09, 2018, 05:57:05 am »
Hi Gone Fabian - I agree, there's not much that could be considered 'non-subjective', I suppose the usage of definitions is an attempt to reduce this to a minimum. And, attempting to get to the n'th degree becomes futile at some point (as you say getting to a workable truth).

Postulate failure is known as an overwhelm. Overwhelming the postulate of an opponent in a game is known as an overt act. Having one’s own postulates overwhelmed is called a motivator. The difference between win/lose and overt/motivator is a very fine one, and is determined solely by the considered value of the game. If the game is relatively trivial, then win/lose is applied; if the game is serious (important) then overt/motivator is applied.

That little bit I put in BOLD is what you are talking about I think - as this is very much the subjective aspect.

Overt/Motivator subjective perception example: Yesterday I took a lollipop from my young boy that he was about to eat, he was so pained by this and cried, just as well that I did as I'd spotted it had been resting on the bench in some bleach...

The popular definitions you provided are 'good enough' for me! I'd like to think that the TROM materials could exist outside the realms of $cio and therefore not have to utilise their terminology.

Level two TROM / Re: Wins - do they ever happen?
« on: February 20, 2018, 02:57:36 am »
The last few nights, I've been running Lvl2 on people and noticing changes to my internal responses.

I did have another interesting effect on this process I'd like to share:

As I was dropping off to sleep, I was mentally running through things from the day. I'd been cleaning up a workshop for my father and in the evening I suddenly experienced a shock and negative set of physical responses when thinking about a particular machine, for some reason when thinking of it, it was turned on and my hand got caught in it causing quite an accident (to be clear this did not happen in reality!). I started to run Lvl2 on the hand in the machine - within spotting 3 differences the physical response was eliminated and my attitude and thoughts of the machine and my hand were reduced to 'matter of fact' ideas.

So, a win for Lvl 2! 

Level two TROM / Re: Wins - do they ever happen?
« on: February 16, 2018, 06:21:18 pm »
Survivor, hi!

Thanks for the reply.

What kind of win should be achieved at this level?

Can you please offer an example of something - maybe I am expecting something else and missing the win...?

Level two TROM / Wins - do they ever happen?
« on: February 14, 2018, 11:24:37 am »
It has now been several weeks of dipping in and out of running this set. I started off very keen, but there has been no sense of a 'win' or a resolution to anything through running this. Hence, the commitment to continue is reducing - I have focused on reading the full set of books (thanks Pete!) to retain my interest. Can anyone offer any advice here, I am still quite sure that this set of processes holds great value - but, I'd like to know how to unlock it for myself.

What noticeable positive changes have others experienced on Level 2?

Is it that I am not gaining wins, a signal that I am done on 2, or that I haven't actually got out of 1...?

Many thanks again! :)


Level five TROM / Re: Junior Goals Package - Want/Wanted
« on: February 14, 2018, 11:19:52 am »
Thank you all - I've listened to the lectures and been reading a bit more around this. The subject arose through a discussion with a friend who had been resolving a moment of conception, where when coming into being had the spiritual projection of his father imposed upon him of 'not wanted'.

In going over this, I think the actual junior package may be accepted in this circumstance.

I am not attempting to run these higher processes directly - I'm still running around on Level 2 - but that will be the subject of another post. 

Level five TROM / Junior Goals Package - Want/Wanted
« on: January 22, 2018, 05:01:05 pm »
Hi, can anyone give any knowledge on a junior package of:

To Want - To Be Wanted - To Not Want - To Not Be Wanted

Is this Life or non-Life? It appears to me to be fundamental / core... It may be in the later material, which I haven't read all of yet, it just occurred to me that it was 'Important' to lots of beings!


All Legs and their flow lines

Nice one Cory - I was looking at creating some visual images to aid in my comprehension. Especially with respect to the flow around the legs and where one cannot move to a failed PD.

Here are some graphics!

Leg 1 - Must Be Known
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Leg 2 - Must Not Be Known
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Leg 3 - Must Know
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Leg 4 - Must Not Know
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Level one TROM / Re: Perceptive RI for One Hour?
« on: January 04, 2018, 12:46:01 am »
Peter - this is a great piece of data for me, thanks.

I was unsure of 'no change', however, this info allows me to recognise that there is change occurring - I am aware that running RI or Level 2 that my attention drifts and I end up in 'fantasy land' thinking about something else, then suddenly become aware that I moved off task.

I think I'll set a timer, starting at 5 mins as you say.

It is interesting to consider that this drifting wouldn't happen as often if a facilitator were to be present to maintain the PC/clients attention during the process...


General Discussion / Definitions for Overt / Motivator
« on: January 02, 2018, 04:04:26 pm »
Just re-reading TROM from the beginning again - to pick up any misunderstood words or other.

I wanted to confirm definitions for: Overt and Motivator

From the Standard Dictionary
Overt: done or shown openly; plainly apparent. - (from Old French, past participle of ovrir ‘to open’)
Motivator: something that provides a reason or stimulus to do something - (from late Latin motivus, from movere ‘to move’)

There are also the $cio definitions:
Overt Act, 1. an overt act is not just injuring someone or something; an overt act is an act of omission or commission which does the least good for the least number of dynamics or the most harm to the greatest number of dynamics. (HCO PL 1 Nov 70 III)
2 . an intentionally committed harmful act committed in an effort to resolve a problem. (SH Spec 44, 6410C27)
3 . that thing which you do which you aren't willing to have happen to you. (lSH ACC 10, 6009C14)

MOTIVATOR, 1. an aggressive or destructive act received by the person or one of the dynamics. It is called a motivator because it tends to prompt that one pays it back—it “motivates” a new overt. (HCOB 20 May 68)
2 . something which the person feels has been done to him, which he is not willing to have happen. (HCO Info Ltr 2 Sept 64)
3 . an act received by the person or individual causing injury, reduction or degradation of his beingness, person, associations or dynamics. (HCOB 1 Nov 68 II)
4 . an overt act against oneself by another. In other words, a motivator is a harmful action performed by somebody else against oneself. (8ACC-14, 5410CM20)

OVERT-MOTIVATOR SEQUENCE, 1. if a fellow does an overt, he will then believe he's got to have a motivator or that he has had a motivator. (AHMC 2, 6012C31)
2. the sequence wherein someone who has committed an overt has to claim the existence of motivators. The motivators are then likely to be used to justify committing further overt acts. (PXL Gloss)
OVERT OF OMISSION, a failure to act resulting in the injury, reduction or degradation of another or others in their beingness, persons, possessions or dynamics. (HCOB 1 Nov 68 II)

Interesting that Dennis appeared to utilise the $cio terminology, but not explicitly define it.

General Discussion / Re: Postulate Failure Chart
« on: December 31, 2017, 04:55:56 am »
Thanks David,
Figuring out the chart is a process in itself, so yes I understand that it should be presented later in the materials after the other areas are flat.

I'll leave it for now and run out the early levels first.

Many thanks for your input - have a great New Year all the best for 2018!


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