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Ethics / Re: Ethics
« on: April 04, 2024, 06:43:29 am »
If Jurgen was a church shill, he wouldn't be hosting the advanced TROM lectures on YouTube.
I have been in comm with him on and off for a long time. He knows who I am, what I do and why I do it.
Knowing what he knows about me, if he worked for the Church I would have had the Squirrel Busters at my door a long time ago.
I have been in comm with him on and off for a long time. He knows who I am, what I do and why I do it.
Knowing what he knows about me, if he worked for the Church I would have had the Squirrel Busters at my door a long time ago.
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Games Strategies / Re: Job Roles & Strategy Patterns
« on: April 04, 2024, 06:10:08 am »
Here's a summary for you:
You ask a question on the forum that any newcomer to the subject of TROM is not likely to understand.
I answer with a video which not only answers your question, but even gives sufficient context for anyone reading your question to understand it.
And your response is to call my work a distraction?
My videos are designed to thoroughly explain TROM to the newcomer and encourage them to DO THE EXERCISES. That's where the true understanding of TROM lies.
It's this endless theorizing about TROM that's the real distraction. Dennis even warns about this in his book, about how your temptation will be to just talk about it.
You ask a question on the forum that any newcomer to the subject of TROM is not likely to understand.
I answer with a video which not only answers your question, but even gives sufficient context for anyone reading your question to understand it.
And your response is to call my work a distraction?
My videos are designed to thoroughly explain TROM to the newcomer and encourage them to DO THE EXERCISES. That's where the true understanding of TROM lies.
It's this endless theorizing about TROM that's the real distraction. Dennis even warns about this in his book, about how your temptation will be to just talk about it.
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Games Strategies / Re: Job Roles & Strategy Patterns
« on: March 27, 2024, 11:07:19 pm »
This video I did which introduces the postulate failure cycle and covers levels four and five shows several different jobs and their roles in the postulate failure cycle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b7hQT__pkk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b7hQT__pkk
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General Discussion / what do you want to see on the TROM YouTube channel next?
« on: March 27, 2024, 11:04:00 pm »
I’ve taken a long break from doing videos on TROM, and ready to get back to it. I would like to know, what aspect of The Resolution of the Mind (TROM) do you want me to cover?
-Advanced TROM
-Beginner theory
-How-to on doing TROM exercises
-Comparison of TROM to other philosophies
-Practical applications in the ‘real world’
-Other
Please message me or respond on the forum. And make sure you are subscribed to the channel!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfLbaSxiUIUlOd5-enxsN6w
Best,
TromFan
-Advanced TROM
-Beginner theory
-How-to on doing TROM exercises
-Comparison of TROM to other philosophies
-Practical applications in the ‘real world’
-Other
Please message me or respond on the forum. And make sure you are subscribed to the channel!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfLbaSxiUIUlOd5-enxsN6w
Best,
TromFan
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General Discussion / Re: A Non-Scientology Version of TROM
« on: March 06, 2024, 03:18:48 pm »
Mister First Name:
Really? No one knows TROM better than you do and no one has had more success with it than you?
Have you even spoken to everyone who practices TROM and measured their case state against yours?
Have you even spoken to everyone that practices TROM to check your knowledge of it against theirs?
I've never spoken to you. I consider myself to be one of the few experts on the subject and also have benefitted from it immensely. But I would never dare say I know it better than everyone else or got more case gain from it. There is absolutely no way to verify that.
And no one who is truly enlightened would make such a statement as yours, one that invalidates all others. And for that reason alone, I believe you are severely mistaken in your assertions.
Really? No one knows TROM better than you do and no one has had more success with it than you?
Have you even spoken to everyone who practices TROM and measured their case state against yours?
Have you even spoken to everyone that practices TROM to check your knowledge of it against theirs?
I've never spoken to you. I consider myself to be one of the few experts on the subject and also have benefitted from it immensely. But I would never dare say I know it better than everyone else or got more case gain from it. There is absolutely no way to verify that.
And no one who is truly enlightened would make such a statement as yours, one that invalidates all others. And for that reason alone, I believe you are severely mistaken in your assertions.
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General Discussion / Re: A Non-Scientology Version of TROM
« on: March 06, 2024, 03:11:07 pm »
Trying to teach people TROM without mentioning Scientology is like trying to teach algebra without mentioning mathematics.
TROM goes beyond Scientology. It's not Scientology itself.
If one lets their feelings about Scientology get in the way of learning TROM, then I am afraid whoever does lacks the intellectual capacity to learn TROM in the first place.
Such people are irrelevant to me and what I do.
And what I do is make TROM available to the masses as an alternative route. A solution to the problems the Church poses to society and even their parishioners.
Anyone wishing to learn TROM can visit my YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfLbaSxiUIUlOd5-enxsN6w
Anyone who wants to put TROM down and can't handle the fact Dennis was a Scientologist can go f*ck themselves for all I care. We have no use for you here.
TROM goes beyond Scientology. It's not Scientology itself.
If one lets their feelings about Scientology get in the way of learning TROM, then I am afraid whoever does lacks the intellectual capacity to learn TROM in the first place.
Such people are irrelevant to me and what I do.
And what I do is make TROM available to the masses as an alternative route. A solution to the problems the Church poses to society and even their parishioners.
Anyone wishing to learn TROM can visit my YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfLbaSxiUIUlOd5-enxsN6w
Anyone who wants to put TROM down and can't handle the fact Dennis was a Scientologist can go f*ck themselves for all I care. We have no use for you here.
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General Discussion / Re: Discussion on the relevance of Origin & Receipt at the Overwhelm Levels
« on: February 22, 2024, 06:54:56 am »
Have you gotten to level five yet?
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General Discussion / Re: Discussion on the relevance of Origin & Receipt at the Overwhelm Levels
« on: February 10, 2024, 06:11:29 pm »
O/R is not a moot point. If you listen to the lecture Dennis sent to Judith on level five, this will become quite clear to you.
When one is overwhelmed and forced to take on another's postulate as his own, this is relevant. He is buying into the lie.
And if you look at how the postulate failure cycle flows in real life, one takes on the other's postulate passively, then he starts to actively enforce it. The person who must be known then is prevented from being known then starts to prevent others from knowing him.
Read the section again on the postulate failure cycle. Dennis says there are actually two definitions for 'must'. One of them is 'have to' and the other is 'can't help but'.
I would say if someone is actively preventing himself from being known because he was overwhelmed by someone's 'not-know' postulate into 'must not be known' at one time, then Origin and Receipt become highly relevant.
I know I may sound like a broken record on this point, but once you reach level 5A and do the exercises for awhile, what I am saying will be so crystal clear to you that you will wonder why you ever saw it any other way.
When one is overwhelmed and forced to take on another's postulate as his own, this is relevant. He is buying into the lie.
And if you look at how the postulate failure cycle flows in real life, one takes on the other's postulate passively, then he starts to actively enforce it. The person who must be known then is prevented from being known then starts to prevent others from knowing him.
Read the section again on the postulate failure cycle. Dennis says there are actually two definitions for 'must'. One of them is 'have to' and the other is 'can't help but'.
I would say if someone is actively preventing himself from being known because he was overwhelmed by someone's 'not-know' postulate into 'must not be known' at one time, then Origin and Receipt become highly relevant.
I know I may sound like a broken record on this point, but once you reach level 5A and do the exercises for awhile, what I am saying will be so crystal clear to you that you will wonder why you ever saw it any other way.
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Games Strategies / Re: Playing Compulsive Games Causitively
« on: January 12, 2024, 12:00:32 pm »
Remember that trying to assign something already considered important as unimportant by force is sort of an assignment of importance all its own. You are just going to create more mental mass.
When you get to level two, you are going to realize that all you need to do is take a mass from the past and compare it to a present time reality and you can lessen its importance that way.
In other words, don't try destroying what's troubling you. Timebreak it and its hold on you will lessen.
And once more, don't TROM and drive!
When you get to level two, you are going to realize that all you need to do is take a mass from the past and compare it to a present time reality and you can lessen its importance that way.
In other words, don't try destroying what's troubling you. Timebreak it and its hold on you will lessen.
And once more, don't TROM and drive!
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Level one TROM / Re: RI change - Creating masses
« on: January 12, 2024, 11:56:38 am »
Hi,
Please, please, please don't ever do RI or any other TROM exercises while driving! Dennis says so in the manual. But even if he didn't, it's just common sense. You could trigger something in your case that could lead you to an untimely demise.
Glad you are having fun, but remember, in the context of doing a TROM session, all you are really concerned about is getting into present time, and making sure you have enough mental masses so you are willing to part with some during a session of level 2, 3, 4 or 5 exercises, or to replace one's you've lost between commands, at session end, and when the going gets rough.
Glad you are gaining confidence with the exercise, and I hope you get lots of gains on level two!
Please, please, please don't ever do RI or any other TROM exercises while driving! Dennis says so in the manual. But even if he didn't, it's just common sense. You could trigger something in your case that could lead you to an untimely demise.
Glad you are having fun, but remember, in the context of doing a TROM session, all you are really concerned about is getting into present time, and making sure you have enough mental masses so you are willing to part with some during a session of level 2, 3, 4 or 5 exercises, or to replace one's you've lost between commands, at session end, and when the going gets rough.
Glad you are gaining confidence with the exercise, and I hope you get lots of gains on level two!
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Games Strategies / Re: Playing Compulsive Games Causitively
« on: January 09, 2024, 08:59:24 am »
On the goal 'must have' the exclusion postulate would be 'must not be had'.
BUT keep in mind, an exclusion postulate is a pan-determined postulate that the compulsive player puts on the other person.
In other words, if you have an exclusion postulate of 'must not be had' you are postulating that you must have others, but they can't have you.
If you are postulating must have and must not have at the same time, then that's insanity-- two opposite postulates at the same time.
Rather than try and analyze yourself to death over what this scarcity is about, it's best to just run the package. And of course, you need to get to it after doing all the previous levels. During the lower level exercises, a lot of this charge may just come out in the wash. You may just have quite the realization about it all even before getting to level five. It may resolve on the 'to know' goals package as you want 'to know' a partner.
Now, on a personal note, maybe doing RI will handle some of your feelings of having scarcities. I often mock up around me things I feel I can't have.
Another thing to consider is this-- the idea of playing a compulsive game causatively would actually be just playing a voluntary game, when you think about it. Are you trying to enforce this idea of a partner on others? Maybe if one were less compulsive they would simply invite another. The voluntary player would not have an exclusion postulate then. He could have, and allow others to have him as well.
You stop being a compulsive games player at the end of level three.
If this really sticks on you even after levels 1-5B you could run 'partner' as a junior universe. But I doubt you'll have to take it that far.
Can I get a link on this other forum you were on?
Glad you like the videos.
Best,
TromFan/Roger/Allison
BUT keep in mind, an exclusion postulate is a pan-determined postulate that the compulsive player puts on the other person.
In other words, if you have an exclusion postulate of 'must not be had' you are postulating that you must have others, but they can't have you.
If you are postulating must have and must not have at the same time, then that's insanity-- two opposite postulates at the same time.
Rather than try and analyze yourself to death over what this scarcity is about, it's best to just run the package. And of course, you need to get to it after doing all the previous levels. During the lower level exercises, a lot of this charge may just come out in the wash. You may just have quite the realization about it all even before getting to level five. It may resolve on the 'to know' goals package as you want 'to know' a partner.
Now, on a personal note, maybe doing RI will handle some of your feelings of having scarcities. I often mock up around me things I feel I can't have.
Another thing to consider is this-- the idea of playing a compulsive game causatively would actually be just playing a voluntary game, when you think about it. Are you trying to enforce this idea of a partner on others? Maybe if one were less compulsive they would simply invite another. The voluntary player would not have an exclusion postulate then. He could have, and allow others to have him as well.
You stop being a compulsive games player at the end of level three.
If this really sticks on you even after levels 1-5B you could run 'partner' as a junior universe. But I doubt you'll have to take it that far.
Can I get a link on this other forum you were on?
Glad you like the videos.
Best,
TromFan/Roger/Allison
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Trom Graphs and Pictures / Re: The Postulate Failure Cycle Chart Fully Explained
« on: January 06, 2024, 04:37:20 pm »
I understand why you wrote what you did. Dennis did not want anyone to distribute interpretations or abbreviated versions of his book as he was worried that his subject would be lost.
I only wish Dennis were still alive so I could run all of what I do by him. But I can't.
But I do know this--
The original manual in its original format is very difficult reading, even for Ex-Scientologists. It's nearly impossible for the layman.
In 45 years of TROM, the subject never really took off. It's because most people are going to give up reading the book somewhere around where Dennis introduces his chart. If you know anything about Study Tech, you will see that introducing the Postulate Failure Cycle in the very first chapter is VERY out-gradient.
The revision we've done of the TROM manual contains every word of the original text, just put in a more logical order of easiest to most complex so the reader has a chance of getting the data. We've also put in footnotes, a glossary, and even illustrations. But nothing is missing. It's all there, just arranged in a more reader-friendly order.
Another mistake in the original manual is that how to run level five is explained very poorly. So poorly Dennis had to send his friend Judith a cassette lecture on how to do it. An adaptation of that lecture is included in the newly revised version called "TROM 2023".
I could go on and on about how the original manual just does not cut it as far as getting people to understand TROM, but I'll end off by asking you to consider this:
In nine years of this forum, there are 79 members. In just a little over a year of my YouTube channel, I have 160 subscribers.
I get comments on my videos of people saying things like, "I finally get it now" and I get thank-you notes by email from time to time from people who tried reading the original manual, gave up on it, but because of my videos they are now doing TROM exercises.
Dennis was a great researcher. But he did not have a clue as to how to properly communicate his subject to common people. That's where I come in. And I am a former auditor and course supervisor, and I did TROM for years and studied it to death before engaging on my project.
If you ever catch me saying something inaccurate about TROM, you can bring it to my attention. Other than that, I can care less about the purist attitude of quoting Dennis verbatim on everything.
I only wish Dennis were still alive so I could run all of what I do by him. But I can't.
But I do know this--
The original manual in its original format is very difficult reading, even for Ex-Scientologists. It's nearly impossible for the layman.
In 45 years of TROM, the subject never really took off. It's because most people are going to give up reading the book somewhere around where Dennis introduces his chart. If you know anything about Study Tech, you will see that introducing the Postulate Failure Cycle in the very first chapter is VERY out-gradient.
The revision we've done of the TROM manual contains every word of the original text, just put in a more logical order of easiest to most complex so the reader has a chance of getting the data. We've also put in footnotes, a glossary, and even illustrations. But nothing is missing. It's all there, just arranged in a more reader-friendly order.
Another mistake in the original manual is that how to run level five is explained very poorly. So poorly Dennis had to send his friend Judith a cassette lecture on how to do it. An adaptation of that lecture is included in the newly revised version called "TROM 2023".
I could go on and on about how the original manual just does not cut it as far as getting people to understand TROM, but I'll end off by asking you to consider this:
In nine years of this forum, there are 79 members. In just a little over a year of my YouTube channel, I have 160 subscribers.
I get comments on my videos of people saying things like, "I finally get it now" and I get thank-you notes by email from time to time from people who tried reading the original manual, gave up on it, but because of my videos they are now doing TROM exercises.
Dennis was a great researcher. But he did not have a clue as to how to properly communicate his subject to common people. That's where I come in. And I am a former auditor and course supervisor, and I did TROM for years and studied it to death before engaging on my project.
If you ever catch me saying something inaccurate about TROM, you can bring it to my attention. Other than that, I can care less about the purist attitude of quoting Dennis verbatim on everything.
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Trom Graphs and Pictures / The Postulate Failure Cycle Chart Fully Explained
« on: January 01, 2024, 06:12:35 pm »15
General Discussion / Re: DIY Salvation TROM video
« on: December 29, 2023, 08:50:27 am »
You're welcome, a5a5a9!
Please spread the word about the channel!
Please spread the word about the channel!