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General Discussion / Re: Help for level 5
« on: November 28, 2021, 01:33:12 am »
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When I say I have understanding I mean that what I have translated and read is material that I can use to do TROM with assurance.
Ok! Sorry for misunderstanging :) And good luck in TROMing.


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General Discussion / Re: Help for level 5
« on: November 27, 2021, 04:24:04 am »
Hello!

You wrote that You have complete understanding of levels 2, 3 and almost level 4. But what about lvl completion? What about verifying lvl completion on e-meter? And what about RI(lvl1)? I think complete understanding of each lvl might appear only when lvl is finished. Also doing lvl5 without other levels finished might be dangerous. I had that experience.

You asked to give explanation in onw words. I'll try, but please, don't do that before all others lvls finished.

The idea of lvl5 is to use raw postulates and game situations. Raw postulate is pure goal without any specific object\effect. For example, postulate "I want to eat hot dog" is not raw. "I want to eat something" looks better. Lets change some words: "I want to eat something" = "I want to feel taste and fullnes" = "I want to know feeling of taste and fullnes". So it's not raw too because there are concrete objects (concrete taste and fillnes). But the postulate "I want to know feeling of taste and fullnes"  =  "I want to know" is raw enough. "I want to know" includes all situations with eating hot dogs and other food. So we can't work with raw postulate instead of working with particular.

So in TROM and Scientology PC tries to do consciously what Reactive Mind does automatically. PC does it to overcome the automaticity of reactive mind. At lvl5 PC creates two postulate: one for himself and second for the other. It's very simple. Create your desire to know something in front of you. Create someone else desire to prevent you from knowing in other place. Hold both some time. At that moment a lot of charge goes off, it dissapears and you need a lot of RI. Or you need to go to a hospital if previous lvls undone. You do what your mind does automatically. You create two postulates in opposition, and your mind does the same all time of your life but in silent mode.

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Level two TROM / Re: Some questions about TIME
« on: August 23, 2021, 06:41:44 pm »
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Considerations got you into this state and reevaluating the considerations will get you back to native state.

You need to consider yourself able to see your whole life as a past scene but first you must address considerations that are preventing you from doing that .

That's the catch 22 paradox. How can you become more able until you are more able .

You start with very small past scenes that you are able to view/know, and you work your way up in ability a little at a time. You get stronger and more determined as you go which in turn enables you to get even more ability and so on, see it ?

That info helped me. I started to work on considirations that prevent me from viewing past clearly and stable. And my visio started to improve.
Thank you! :)


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Remember, every importance is relative to any other thing and it is very easy to see importance's once you put out some needs/goals/purposes.

For command 1. see if you can do imagine this:

Want to fly to the moon as an astronaut!

Creative RI doesnt work for me))).
If I make a goal to reach the moon - nothing becomes imortant:
space craft = not important - smart responsible guys( scientists ) make perfect spacecraft for me, its not important,
space suit = not important - guys make perfect space suit for me, its not important, i trust them))
physical training = not important - guys will train me well, its not a problem :)
I cant dramatize all of this.





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Level two TROM / Re: Some questions about TIME
« on: August 22, 2021, 04:42:58 am »
Thank you!

that post is definitely a masterpiece!

i need a week or more for full understanding :)

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Level two TROM / Re: Some questions about TIME
« on: August 22, 2021, 03:46:21 am »
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Some are so huge  it would take days to get it to vanish

wow ))

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Every level I did moved me into the next level automatically

wow!)

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Some masses make my head move back and forth from side to side in a vibration like motion as its being timebroken

I had body motions too, I call them dynamic meditation.

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Dont get stuck because you cant or dont see the images around the mass . Just TB anything you see in your mind.

I see and feel nothing in my mind. Thats the problem. I think i dont understand something fundamental about all of this.

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I read the games manual hundreds of times

Me too)) one day I've realized that I've learned it by heart.

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You literally need to create real importance's in your life and lots of them

))) I dont feel that I can. Nothing seems important. I cant pretend that some mental images are important for me. Preceptional RI flated too.

Im doing TROM since 2012 about 2-3 hours a day average. It worked good all this years, I become very calm person, but now Im stucked.
I cant pass LVL3 e-meter test, no persistent F\N. RI doesnt work, L2 doesnt work, L3 doesnt work, L4 doesnt work :)

So I just want to ask you fundamental thing.

What is TIME for you?
How it can be feeled?
How can I be sure in my timebreaking?

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Its a FEELING of subjective mental mass that is not in the form of distinct images, its in the form of weight solidity and its dark in color .
Mental mass = TIME for you?





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Level two TROM / Re: Some questions about TIME
« on: August 21, 2021, 06:54:40 am »
Hi!  :D

Thank you! You have brought quotes for question 3.

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until the past scene 'fades' - i.e. begins to 'fall away' in intensity compared to present time."
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the enforcement to view it

I think that criteria is not working for me.  :'(
All my scenes are faded and have zero intensity.
All my scenes dont enforce me to view them.

And what about questions 1 and 2? ???

I think I need some more deeper understanding of all of this...

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Level two TROM / Some questions about TIME
« on: August 21, 2021, 05:41:40 am »
1. What is TIME?

2. How can I feel TIME?

3. How can I check that TIME is BROKEN while timebreaking? Should timebroken scene look like frozen for example?

thank you! :)

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Level three TROM / Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« on: August 19, 2021, 04:05:37 pm »
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IF you think trom has nothing to do with opposites , you have too much mental mass to see it .
I work with opposites couple month ago. Most charged was "I and others". The problem with the opposites is to find charged one. It was hard for me like finding charged scene  ???


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its actual solidity . Mental mass solidity.
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The solidity of your mental mass is what you are after.

Thank you  :) it helped!!! I've focused my attention on any solidity( mental or real ), and changes and charges started to go out.
So simple...


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You can feel it like you feel a chair or a table or a bowling ball. its actual solidity .
lol :) hope so!!! Years ago I felt a lot of unpleasant emotions and tensions in my body while working, talking with people or just walking in park.
Now its all gone and its a problem to find charge to get perfect e-meter reads for L3 test completion.

Thank you!!! I will hunt solidity now  8)


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Level three TROM / Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« on: August 19, 2021, 08:02:45 am »
Dennis had perfect visio long before TROM or professional oditor trainig:

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Another big case again I made in my Dianetic auditing with Nobby was that I had been a black case when I started my auditing, I was a black case and about two or three months after I started, roundabout Christmas 1950, I was in session with him one day and I remember it very, very clearly that I had this, I was in a road... and I knew the road very well near my childhood home, and there was a front door in front of me and I needed to know the number of the house. Well I knew the number was on the front door. Though I couldn't see the number on the door, I knew the number was there. See, case wise I had accurate impressions, accurate sonic impressions and accurate visual impressions but I was black, I never saw anything.
I was a black case. I had no actual visual field, or to put it another way, I had a black field. Whichever way you like. I was what was known as a black case. But anyway, in that session there suddenly I said to myself, the hell with this, I want to see what that number is on that door and I started to mentally look at the number on the door and suddenly a chink appeared in the blackness and the blackness started to move away and there was the number. There was the door, there was the road, there was the pavement, there was everything just as I'd remembers it, just as I knew it was as a child. There was the street, there was the memory in complete technicolor. My blackness disappeared. By the end of the session I could move up and down my time track in full technicolor visio. The blackness had just gone instantly. It was just my... I realized many years afterwards it was simply my power, my intention to see the number on the door. In other words, it was just the power of the spirit. I was intended to see, to break the blackness and I broke it. It was my blackness and I intended to see through it and I saw through it and got rid of it. I didn't need it anymore. Looking back in retrospect, I realized I've never had any need of pictures in my mind as a child and so I've never looked at my past properly. I could always recall what I wanted to recall and I've never actually had a need to look at things in great detail in my past and so, of course, I've never had the ability to do so. I'd never cultivated the ability. When I got into Dianetics, I needed that ability and so I created that ability to do it and I broke the blackness and started to see in full technicolor which I could have done at any time if I had really put my mind to it. I firmly believe that all black cases are of that nature. They simply have never learnt the ability, they've never needed the ability. If they really... could be guided to break the blackness any time they want to.
 Anyway in later years when... I became quite an expert on black cases because of my subjective experience of being a black case when I started off in therapy and breaking my own occlusion gave me... I. was an authority on the subject, the black case. There was no other Scientologist I knew in London who had been a black case and had broken his blackness. I was the only one so I was quite justified in calling myself an authority on the subject of black cases. But one should not take away the good auditing I got from Nobby because without that auditing I would have never broken through that black field. So one cannot detract from the fine auditing I got from my co?auditor. He made it, he really did make it possible even though in the final instance, of course, it was the preclear that did it, so the acclaim must go to the co?auditor, to the auditor in the session who did it. So it was a positive mark for my auditor, Nobby, who broke through my blackness for me.

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Level three TROM / Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« on: August 19, 2021, 07:54:16 am »
:) thank you for trying help, Jur93n!

I ran perception RI for about half an hour today on my balcony, no change, RI was flat.

I think my problem is lack of visio.
I have a question. Why when I have dreams at night  - i have perfect visio?)) But not after waking up.

Usually when I start view past scene - it dissapears in a sec and my attention jumps in present time.

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Level three TROM / Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« on: August 19, 2021, 02:27:49 am »
Stuck again lol :)

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Level five TROM / Re: running L5 and 5
« on: August 19, 2021, 02:24:54 am »
Hi, L5_grad!

Could you please help me with my topic? I am stuck :)
http://theresolutionofmind.createaforum.com/level-three-trom/how-can-i-find-charged-past-scene-without-e-meter/

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black at the bottem and the most solid and round . Youll find allot of black goo .
When I close my eyes I see blackness. There's no information from it. When I try to timebrake it - nothing happens :)



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Level three TROM / Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« on: August 06, 2021, 07:14:12 am »
ok, i will ))

now process transformed into:

1. send particle to past object
2. let past object send particle to you
3. RI

I need 10 secs of RI after 3 particles sent.

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Level three TROM / Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« on: August 06, 2021, 12:12:10 am »
I think i have weak informational flow from past to present. So I need to make past objects say hello to me :)

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noting differences and similarities should actually do the same
Should in theory, but not in my case.

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Level three TROM / Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« on: August 05, 2021, 09:30:10 pm »
 :)

I'm ok, I think I'm now somewhere around lvl2 :)

I re-read TROM and have found two sentances that helped me:

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Reality is the degree to which complementary postulates are created.

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Communication is the action of creating complementary postulates.

So if I am black case with poor vision, and if my past objects aren't real(1) for me, that means that I have no complementary postulates with my past objects.

I took a dice from my past and have started to communicate(2) with it to make some complementary postulates.

I say "Hello to dice", then I imagined that Dice say hello to me.
That causes changes. That causes some need of RI. RI was flat before that process.

That process works for me now.




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