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There is a book titled, "Advanced Procedures and Axioms". Is that the book?

http://www.antology.info/first-editions.php

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I was in a trom session and towards the end I expanded out and first saw some Chinese generals in bad case shape and then viewpoint shifted over to another location in China and a group of Taoists wanted to know more, and I told them about Dennis.  They became very excited and told me Dennis was re-incarnation of Lao Tszu, compiler of the Tao Te Ching.

I do recall a Japanese lifetime in a beautiful Zen garden where friends and I sat and blissfully contemplated on the Tao Te Ching. Unfortunately in those days if a family member displeased the leader - the whole family had to die. Nevertheless, in those days we knew we were coming back.

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General Discussion / Re: Can or should TROM be made widespread?
« on: June 19, 2021, 01:46:31 pm »
I think it's only in the currently published TROM a Games Manual (not the original 1979) that over-burdens the reader with Scn terminology in the first part, where, inserted before the main text is Dennis talking about the GPMs, Analytical Mind and Reactive Mind that the newbie becomes overwhelmed.  And with a glossary only ten terms long, one which doesn't even appear in the text, its going to drive just about anyone away who doesn't understand Scn.  The glossary I made has dozens of terms that I spotted in the text that the laymen needs defined.

Ron was right about most things.  His attitude was different than Dennis' but his data was mostly correct.  Misunderstood word phenomenon (losing comprehension from undefined words) is indisputably correct.

(For anyone else reading this besides David, if you need those terms defined, there is a glossary in "Read TROM here" in this forum)

Scientologists go free in many ways, or better put, they get new abilities and get rid of some of their case, but I don't think Scientology resolves the compulsion to play games.  I think Ron died still a compulsive games player, as able as he was.

I wouldn't be here if not for Ron.
Ron started as a must-be-known - as I knew him - and went down a notch before he died into a must-not-be-known.

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General Discussion / Re: Can or should TROM be made widespread?
« on: June 19, 2021, 01:40:30 pm »
I love if there is a Trom Manual audiobook on Amazon.

The ruling calculating psychotics with their fantastical array of technology would make sure that world-wide dissemination did not happen - been there, done that.  ::)

A being with a mind can be messed with many different ways - been there, done that, and still alive to tell about it :-)  But I had a boss who did not live to tell about it.

The last thing you want is for Trommers or Trom to be on the Oprah Winfrey show. Trust me, we are out-gunned and out-manned, and Oprah is not on your side. However once our postulate powers are greater than their technology .... let's see.

I would however love to see the CCH's become an established mental health practice along with an early diagnosis of psychotic tendencies. That might be allowed. Childhood group processing in schools might also be allowed - just take it slow and easy.

Remember, Dennis said the "gods" wish to destroy us - and have fun while doing so.

And "truthers" like to talk about the reptilians - they've been implanted from the egg to fear and hate humans - whatcha gonna do? Then there are the non-corporeal gamers with this planet as their playing field.

Have I said enough? Trom quietly for now.





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Level two TROM / Re: March 29 '18 Session Win with Level Two
« on: June 19, 2021, 01:18:14 pm »
When you say you have a "TROM twin" does that mean you did this in a group with a supervisor?

The repeater technique, did you learn that from Dennis Stephens' books or is it just borrowed from Dianetics?

Did I ever answer you? So sorry. My Trom twin and I only .... we each ran our own session at the same time.  The benefit was having someone to be accountable to - to show up and do the do.  It was fun.

Repeater tech is a Scio practice Ron mentioned. For example I saw I always got triggered by husband's make wrong that always started with "You used to ...". I proposed we sit across from each other - eyes open - and let me keep repeating "You used to ...".  Lots got viewed and timebroken as it flashed by, and finally got equivalent of the ole "floating needle".  :-)  Having a person across from me kept me enough present while at the same time running not-so-nice scenes.

Also repeater tech is good for some persistent running non-life statement or postulate. For example I knew a lady who was going batty and she kept saying, "I'm going crazy!!!" whenever she was upset.  She could have broken the circuitry or fixedness of that postulate running Repeater Tech.


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It took me awhile to put two and two together re seeing multiple packed together copies of that tree during Level Two.  What I was seeing was the technology called "The Groundhog Day Effect" - not a time shift but a slight location shift into a new copy, time after time after time whenever something happened that needed to be changed. I was not then willing to know that.  It is also called the "Mandela Effect". Another great reason to finish Level Five.

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Level one TROM / Do Incidents Come Up While doing RI?
« on: June 19, 2021, 12:31:11 pm »
For example, I RI a bowl and a hodgepodge of scenes of bowls of food or soup, etcetera flash up. I take it all in with a grain of salt, lol :-)

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Every fixed postulated personality type has its unique desired overt sensations. For example a must-be-known suppresses thoughts of sensational overts it would like to commit but knows it's not right to have those thoughts, much less act on them.  Have it all out with RI and see if that does not flatten.

For example I felt horrible whenever I walked my beloved pooch beside the waterfall and I felt the desired sensation of tossing her over the waterfall. I tried to suppress that desire, and finally RI'd doing that over and over and got very creative with it.  Mind finally went quiet - no more resistance and shame, and even a previous similar incident came up (where I had been shamed) and got timebroken.


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I do a lot of dryfasting and experience unpleasant de-tox phenomenon. When I do sufficient RI the mind is satiated and quiet and the cleansing effects are very bland - how the body feels it without the mental flak.

Also "touching" the sensation particles is a release.

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Thank you. Good stuff about RI being much more.  Now I see the momentum aspect.  I also see it is therapeutic to restore a comfort level with creating things. "Give it a spin" - good advice, thank you.

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Hi, I would like a copy of this book. thank you

Did you get that book?  If you still want it, "Antology" has it as a .pdf.

http://www.antology.info/first-editions.php

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Level one TROM / Re: Mental Masses resolve scarcity of importances
« on: June 19, 2021, 11:38:01 am »
My impression is that I have 2 sets of archetypes:

The human body is created with a set of them, in use for it's social life + mating + possibly other things.
The spirit (me) has his own which he has collected over time and will evaporate with processing.

Sometimes there are strong similarities in these 2 sets, makes for some grand confusions. Psychologists love to mess with such confusions :)

I guess a few spirits are smart enough to never have picked up these things.
But my body's set of archetypes is part of it's function and I would never try to change that stuff.

I've noticed that too. In fact, I saw one lifetime that the body intelligence stirred up - that was not my track scene, but the body's scene when it was a sulfur eating winged dragon. The body pee'd out stinky sulfur crystals too.

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General Discussion / Re: To Free vs To Be Freed
« on: June 18, 2021, 09:49:02 am »
I'm glad you get a good flow with that arrangement. 

Every overt type is fixated on that particular wonderful sensation.

I live with a "must know" and the need to free with revelation/exposure looms large, lol. You might call it enforced enhancement, and that's how they get their jollies :-) 

Myself, a must-be-known, just wants to murder the ones who try to keep me from expressing my creative compulsions, or negate me, lol. I must be free to be me, lol. Oh, god I hate social media trolls - not as much as I used to. My must-know buddy can keep his TRs in on rejection, but he hates lies and obfuscation (must-not-be-known?)

I won't reveal the nasty underbelly of this society to people if I think it will spin them or they outright will reject, even though I hate to see them play losing games for lack of knowledge. However I know some very high harmonic must-not-know's who seem to be very peaceful. Eckhart Tolle is an example - a smooth rejecter person. Not someone I follow, lol.

Thank god for Dennis pointing me north and learning that one can be complementary to all four types :-)  He did say he started out as a "must know" - I can have that  :-)

Anyways, thank you for your more detailed reply and how you worked out the flows that feel right for you.  I will have to trial it too, as you say, and see how it feels.


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General Discussion / Re: To Free vs To Be Freed
« on: June 18, 2021, 09:06:28 am »
I know someone who is a compulsive "Must Free". Wouldn't that be a "Must Know" - overts of revelation?

And wouldn't the complementary be the compulsive "Must be Known's" "I must be free" - overts of infliction?  Does that sound right?

And the remaining two appear to be "must not be known" and its complementary "must not know".

At his best, Dennis did correctly word the To Know four basic postulates.

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TROM experiences / Re: Histories
« on: June 18, 2021, 01:08:17 am »
Nice to have pre-audited incidents to timebreak - good material for timebreaking.

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