Trom (The Resolution of Mind)

absolutely a script / something 'auto-magically' is the way forward - work smart not hard

Hi Jur93n,

I'm looking at the YouTube facilities for including subtitles - I'm wondering if the transcripts could be copied and pasted into the subtitles section of each video. If you require another body to help you do this I am happy to assist, please advise if this is something I can do

Khepri

Hi TromFan,

This was always going to be a controversial post - and was posted with this in mind, though with some tongue in cheek. It was stimulated in my own being, to make sure that this material does not fall by the wayside and become lost to the passage of time, I believe that you also hold a similar view. TROM is too important for this to happen, for all of us - that is only my belief.

May I present a little more of my position here? I posted this on the basis of only looking at Dennis' writings not any of the taped material, which I have an in depth understanding and connection with. In this regard, I looked at what was actually in this booklet + addendums that referenced Scientology? The word is mentioned five times - once in his Acknowledgement and twice on the 'Terms Used' page, where five words are presented and defined, and twice in the Level One section referencing CCH's.

My focus here was specifically, could these five words be presented in normal language, without a Scientology reference? I think they could with zero degradation to the original material. Could the Level One section do anything different...? In this moment in time I cannot say, I have no answer - I may say a little more later on this.

This comes to a second reference point for myself - I'm not a Scientologist, I have been interested in Scientology/Dianetics, I have read much of it - But since discovering TROM and using TROM, I find my interest waning yearly to the Hubbard model. To be clear I think that the requirement to hold any of the belief systems of Scientology are most definitely not important in experiencing and benefiting from TROM. For the later 'taped' materials and gaining a deeper understanding of these - then I am in complete agreement with you, having a knowledge of some Scientology concepts aids in this understanding - (I would have to leave it up to a more dedicated user of Scio to determine exactly what is to be presented and what to be removed - for there is a significant amount of material there). And, as you pointed out - the CCHs are most likely the simplest and most efficient way of getting one through Level 1 - I do not know of anything else outside of the realms of Scientology that has something even close to what these processes achieve.

So, to roll back a little - and hopefully, this short explanation provides a better insight into my original post - I consider that a small inside translation of those 'FIVE' words to non-Scio language -vs- the general public's position on Scientology (due to the constant demonisation of Hubbard and the materials from PR/Media and now the Church itself being a purveyor of who knows what!) - why fight this monster created by the Media etc. so that those who are looking for some salvation may do so without this barrier? Once they have experienced the benefits and are attuned to the materials, then reading of Dennis' story and the history of TROM puts everything in perspective.

And to go contra to my own position - because one is always open to changing ones ideas and thoughts - Maybe a concise and clear representation of Dennis' story prior to getting the tech is all that is needed? I suppose unconsciously I have attempted this with my own foreword in the Full-Text version.

And, to finish - I never said this SHOULD be done, I only put forward a thought and a question - so I thank you TromFan for responding so eloquently and kindly - that is much appreciated.

So after all of that - let's get this show on the road!

Khepri

What did he whisper in the lions ear?

https://youtu.be/Wr1oIavLWI8

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Actually we are SELF all the way round, this is all the 16 levels from Level Five - 8B to 1A.

A line Top to Bottom, would indicate the crossover points for the Valence Shift - I had considered changing the purple arrows, but a definite line would also help, I considered changing the colours for each of the Legs to show this too

This is a new thread to discuss the idea brought up in the Published TROM thread.

Jur93n mentioned a method to recall and draw out PFCC.

From my own perspective this is a valuable datum, having a personal connection to the data so that this chart may be presented at will. The basic TROM data should be sufficient to generate this.

I begin with the 4 Legs and each of their Game Conditions, Self is on the Left and Not-Self is on the Right.

Leg 1 - MBK - MNK
Leg 2 - MNBK - MK
Leg 3 - MK - MNBK
Leg 4 - MNK - MBK

Each of these have two conditions - one where Self initiates and the other where Not-Self initiates the game. In both of these the SD and PD postulates of both parties are extant.

At this point then eight of the rows can be populated - in my revised chart the Origin/Receipt of the Game is shown by an arrow.

Thus :

Leg 1
MBK -> MNK
MBK <- MNK

Leg 2
MNBK -> MK
MNBK <- MK

Leg 3
MK -> MNBK
MK <- MNBK

Leg 4
MNK -> MBK
MNK <- MBK

From either one of these scenarios there are another two states - one where Self is overwhelmed (Motivator) or the other where Not-Self is overwhemed (Overt). When Self commits the Overt we remain where we are so that is positioned at the 'stronger' end of the Leg, where Self is overwhelmed that is positioned closer to the next Leg as that is where we will come back in. The arrow in these circumstances determines the flow of the Overt, opposed to the initiator of the Game in the previous rows.

Thus:

Leg 1
MBK -> MK (Overt)
MBK -> MNK
MBK <- MNK
MNBK <- MNK (Motivator)

Leg 2
MNBK -> MNK (Overt)
MNBK -> MK
MNBK <- MK
MBK <- MK (Motivator)

Leg 3
MK -> MBK (Overt)
MK -> MNBK
MK <- MNBK
MNK <- MNBK (Motivator)

Leg 4
MNK -> MNBK (Overt)
MNK -> MBK
MNK <- MBK
MK <- MBK (Motivator)

In the Overwhelm states there is no PD postuate for the Receiving party - they have succumbed and 'Cannot Help But' (MUST) the imposed Postulate.