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Level two TROM / Re: Wins - do they ever happen?
« Last post by mjh on February 20, 2018, 02:57:36 am »
The last few nights, I've been running Lvl2 on people and noticing changes to my internal responses.

I did have another interesting effect on this process I'd like to share:

As I was dropping off to sleep, I was mentally running through things from the day. I'd been cleaning up a workshop for my father and in the evening I suddenly experienced a shock and negative set of physical responses when thinking about a particular machine, for some reason when thinking of it, it was turned on and my hand got caught in it causing quite an accident (to be clear this did not happen in reality!). I started to run Lvl2 on the hand in the machine - within spotting 3 differences the physical response was eliminated and my attitude and thoughts of the machine and my hand were reduced to 'matter of fact' ideas.

So, a win for Lvl 2! 
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Level two TROM / Re: Wins - do they ever happen?
« Last post by survivor on February 18, 2018, 06:46:25 pm »
Hello,

Get the small things right, pay attention to detail and the big things will take care of themselves. If your sessions are not productive, try rereading everything that Dennis has to say about Repair of Importance and Level Two. Sometimes rereading material after practical application will give a different or expanded understanding. Do the sessions exactly as Dennis recommends.

As to “wins”, yours may be very different from mine as we each of us bring different life experiences to the situation. To some extent the feast we enjoy depends upon what we bring to the table. I will say that if you continue with TROM you had better get used to the idea of spending a lot more time being happy.

Regards,
Survivor
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Level two TROM / Re: Wins - do they ever happen?
« Last post by Jur93n on February 16, 2018, 08:42:55 pm »
Level 2 is there to reduce the compulsive game condition with the mind so you can image that the intensity of change and change over time are directly related to how serious the games condition is for that person.
So i guess do not get hung up on trying to be aware of progress, instead make sure you do your sessions well by doing RI when you start, do your level you are at (and sometimes do RI when you feel you need it) and end your session with RI. It might make sense to write down session notes which might be useful to see 'progress' over time (and this can mean months or even years).

It is like physical exercise, building muscles, getting stronger, this can take years, in the beginning your might not notice any changes whatsoever, but consistency, doing your exercise routine after months and years you suddenly might look in the mirror and go 'whoa i see some good changes'.

Note: For me it was hard to see my own change, instead i had comments from others telling me that i was progressing a lot. Self progress is most of the time hard to see so don't bother.
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Level two TROM / Re: Wins - do they ever happen?
« Last post by mjh on February 16, 2018, 06:21:18 pm »
Survivor, hi!

Thanks for the reply.

What kind of win should be achieved at this level?

Can you please offer an example of something - maybe I am expecting something else and missing the win...?
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Level two TROM / Re: Wins - do they ever happen?
« Last post by survivor on February 15, 2018, 04:14:30 pm »
Hello,

Every session should be a win. If you are not feeling better at the end of each session then when you started the session then something is not happening during the session that should be happening.

Are you running sufficient RI? You should feel very good and alert after each time that you run RI. When I did Level two I needed to spend twice as much time doing RI as I did running the process. For example I might spend 15 minutes doing RI at the start of the session, 15 minutes doing the Level two process and another 15 minutes doing RI at the end of the session.

Regards,
Survivor
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Level two TROM / Wins - do they ever happen?
« Last post by mjh on February 14, 2018, 11:24:37 am »
It has now been several weeks of dipping in and out of running this set. I started off very keen, but there has been no sense of a 'win' or a resolution to anything through running this. Hence, the commitment to continue is reducing - I have focused on reading the full set of books (thanks Pete!) to retain my interest. Can anyone offer any advice here, I am still quite sure that this set of processes holds great value - but, I'd like to know how to unlock it for myself.

What noticeable positive changes have others experienced on Level 2?

Is it that I am not gaining wins, a signal that I am done on 2, or that I haven't actually got out of 1...?

Many thanks again! :)

MJH
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Level five TROM / Re: Junior Goals Package - Want/Wanted
« Last post by mjh on February 14, 2018, 11:19:52 am »
Thank you all - I've listened to the lectures and been reading a bit more around this. The subject arose through a discussion with a friend who had been resolving a moment of conception, where when coming into being had the spiritual projection of his father imposed upon him of 'not wanted'.

In going over this, I think the actual junior package may be accepted in this circumstance.

I am not attempting to run these higher processes directly - I'm still running around on Level 2 - but that will be the subject of another post. 
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Level five TROM / Re: Junior Goals Package - Want/Wanted
« Last post by Gone Fabian on February 11, 2018, 03:40:41 pm »
In working with concepts like "TO WANT" I always try to be aware of the side of myself that is called the human ape.
This beast (no insult intended) most likely has it's own version of this thing running all the time. And you should not run spiritual processes on your body. Wrong tools.

TROM was created to be run on a spirit (you), it will not repair your iPhone or your body.
I can recall mixing up my body and myself on running Grade 2 (problems) on another type of "philosophy" many years ago. Not pleasant..

My opinion is that this is usually not a big factor in TROM, but I think you will run more cleanly and save time if you stay away from your body's ongoing games.
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TROM experiences / Re: Doing RI Saved My Life Yesterday
« Last post by Colleen on February 04, 2018, 02:50:10 pm »
Thank you, Pete. I want Trommers to know how powerful doing RI can be, even though on the surface it seems rather simple.
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TROM experiences / Re: Doing RI Saved My Life Yesterday
« Last post by Peter McLaughlin on February 04, 2018, 06:52:37 am »
 :)well done Collleen!

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