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supreme

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Perceptive RI for One Hour?
« on: November 16, 2017, 10:37:37 pm »
In the TROM book we read:

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Just make with the paws on the furnishings for an hour or
two; it will work wonders for you.

In reference to doing perceptive RI. I'm wondering what benefit there would be in going around my room and touching the objects in the room for an hour or so.

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Re: Perceptive RI for One Hour?
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2017, 12:21:36 pm »
Dennis states that the object of TROM is to move you attention out of the past and into the present.  This ability is to develop control of where you put your attention. It’s like pointing a flashlight in a dark room.  You can put the beam any where you like.
With TROM the exercises all have you putting your attention on the present moment directly. This is what RI does. You can only create something in the present moment so the creative process is one of bringing your attention into the present moment and creating something.
The balance of the processes in TROM are for finding emotionally charged incidents in the past that pull your attention out of the present and by repeatedly looking at them reduce their charge so you can put your attention on the present moment in time.
All physical objects are in the present moment so grabbing them is the mechanical way of putting your attention on the present moment.

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Re: Perceptive RI for One Hour?
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2018, 06:36:20 am »
All physical objects are in the present moment so grabbing them is the mechanical way of putting your attention on the present moment.

Thank you for your reply Pete as well as your work to preserve and update this material. As you know, in study tech, anytime you dont understand something, you research it until it is clear. It seems like a small point, but the first thing I would like to bring up is this sentence you wrote:

The balance of the processes in TROM are for finding emotionally charged incidents in the past that pull your attention out of the present and by repeatedly looking at them reduce their charge so you can put your attention on the present moment in time.

My question is about the word "balance". Don't you mean "intent"?

Next you state:
All physical objects are in the present moment so grabbing them is the mechanical way of putting your attention on the present moment.

My first question about this is: regarding the physical objects in the present moment, say, in this hotel room where I am typing this. Are all of these objects here and created by something else? Or did "I" create everything that I currently perceiving with my 5 senses?

My next question is: all TROM exercises are run until there is no more change in awareness. But I cant imagine any change in awareness from doing this exercise or any change in awareness after doing it for 1 hour.

My final question: Do you have an expectation of what this exercise might produce? Would you oversee some sessions of this for pay? I'm not committing to engaging your services, but I am interested.



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Re: Perceptive RI for One Hour?
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2018, 11:36:04 am »
Balance means those processes that are left or that were not mentioned.

What is the nature of physical reality? Good question. Hubbard calls it an agreed upon reality which would mean that you and someone else worked together to create it. Dennis states that the matter in this universe is mostly generated as the byproduct of games play therefor not created by anyone. However the objects in your hotel room were fashioned by someone into the shapes you see.
So the next question is are you perceiving what is “actually” there or is the room you see different from the room I would see if i was there so it is a subjective reality.
I haven’t found a test that could verify if apparent reality was the same as some “actual” reality.

I have no talent or inclination to be an auditor so no thanks i won’t monitor a session for pay.

The beauty of TROM is you are the Auditor and the skill you develop at doing it goes with you anywhere you are.

Does TROM work for you? Can you do RI for an hour creating some item that is interesting to you without any distractions being thrown at you by your reactive mind? 
If you can do RI with absolutely machine like perfect execution then you have achieved the condition of no change. If however you get bored with creating apples all around you and must switch to something else or fall into a coma then you still have room for improvement in doing TROM.

The goal with TROM processes is to increase you ability to focus your attention on what you are doing now from 5 minutes at a streach to 10 minutes at a streach without having something distract you.  It’s about your ability to persist on a given course despite difficulty.

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Re: Perceptive RI for One Hour?
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2018, 12:46:01 am »
Peter - this is a great piece of data for me, thanks.

I was unsure of 'no change', however, this info allows me to recognise that there is change occurring - I am aware that running RI or Level 2 that my attention drifts and I end up in 'fantasy land' thinking about something else, then suddenly become aware that I moved off task.

I think I'll set a timer, starting at 5 mins as you say.

It is interesting to consider that this drifting wouldn't happen as often if a facilitator were to be present to maintain the PC/clients attention during the process...

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Re: Perceptive RI for One Hour?
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2018, 07:35:44 pm »
All physical objects are in the present moment so grabbing them is the mechanical way of putting your attention on the present moment.

Thank you for your reply Pete as well as your work to preserve and update this material. As you know, in study tech, anytime you dont understand something, you research it until it is clear. It seems like a small point, but the first thing I would like to bring up is this sentence you wrote:

The balance of the processes in TROM are for finding emotionally charged incidents in the past that pull your attention out of the present and by repeatedly looking at them reduce their charge so you can put your attention on the present moment in time.

My question is about the word "balance". Don't you mean "intent"?

Next you state:
All physical objects are in the present moment so grabbing them is the mechanical way of putting your attention on the present moment.

My first question about this is: regarding the physical objects in the present moment, say, in this hotel room where I am typing this. Are all of these objects here and created by something else? Or did "I" create everything that I currently perceiving with my 5 senses?

My next question is: all TROM exercises are run until there is no more change in awareness. But I cant imagine any change in awareness from doing this exercise or any change in awareness after doing it for 1 hour.

My final question: Do you have an expectation of what this exercise might produce? Would you oversee some sessions of this for pay? I'm not committing to engaging your services, but I am interested.

Hello, Supreme, did you find someone to twin with, or a volunteer to help you get started on your DIY journey through TROM?  As you know I can work with someone briefly over skype ... enough times for them to get grooved in.