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Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2021, 08:23:24 am »
Ok, let me share of what i do with the similarities and differences. I have taken reference to the book "Self Analysis, by L. Ron Hubbard" where it is described that the reactive mind mostly records smells, sounds (+loudness), taste, vision, touch etc.. so i build up a list of things i always want to use:

- seeing/vision, appearance
- hearing, soft and loud sound an object makes (and getting as close to hearing the sound the past object makes and the present object)
- smelling, smell the object has (and imagining smelling the past object and present object)
- feeling, touching, the hardness/softness, dry/wet, hot/cold of the material
- feeling, texture, moving your imaginary finger over the surface(s) of the past and present object
- weight, actually feeling the weight of the past and present object
- size or dimension
- significance, the function or purpose of the past/present object and how their importance is intensified (a bicycle is important when you need to travel)
- how it is used, see yourself using the past/present object
- taste, taste the past/present object as best as you can
- how i feel about the past/present object (ugly, beautiful, angry, happy, bored)

Anyway, i just wanted to share this, hope it helps.
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Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2021, 08:30:12 pm »
Dmitry, I hope you can figure it out what is happening. As for the e-meter getting reads and you feeling nothing is because only at the end of Level 3 will you be sensitive enough to figure out what the read is. That is what Dennis mentions at the end of Level 3.

Read and reread Level 2 and Level 3 to see where you are at.

Wish you well!.

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Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2021, 03:03:43 am »
 :D :P :)

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Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2021, 05:33:04 pm »
Hi Dmitry, curious, how are you doing, have you figured out where you are at?
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Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2021, 09:30:10 pm »
 :)

I'm ok, I think I'm now somewhere around lvl2 :)

I re-read TROM and have found two sentances that helped me:

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Reality is the degree to which complementary postulates are created.

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Communication is the action of creating complementary postulates.

So if I am black case with poor vision, and if my past objects aren't real(1) for me, that means that I have no complementary postulates with my past objects.

I took a dice from my past and have started to communicate(2) with it to make some complementary postulates.

I say "Hello to dice", then I imagined that Dice say hello to me.
That causes changes. That causes some need of RI. RI was flat before that process.

That process works for me now.




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Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2021, 11:11:21 pm »
Interesting, since finding objects in PT and noting differences and similarities should actually do the same. You are stating complementary considerations all the time, over and over again.

e.g. differences:
the past object is friendly, the present time object is a threat
the past object is heavy, the present time object is light
the past object is not real to the body, the present time object is real to the body
the past object when changed does not have consequences in present time, the present time object when changed has consequences in present time
the past object is boring, the present time object is interesting
the past object is a then object, the present time object is a now object

these are all complementary postulates

e.g. similarities
the past object is real to me, the present time object is real to me
the past object has a shape, the present time object has a shape
the past object can be seen, the present time object can be seen
the past object can be touched, the present time object can be touched
the past object has a temperature, the present time object has a temperature
the past object is in the now, the present time object is in the now
the past object has a purpose/significance, the present time object has a purpose/significance
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Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2021, 12:12:10 am »
I think i have weak informational flow from past to present. So I need to make past objects say hello to me :)

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noting differences and similarities should actually do the same
Should in theory, but not in my case.

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Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2021, 01:23:50 am »
Ok Dmitry, if it produces change then run out all of the changes.
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Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2021, 07:14:12 am »
ok, i will ))

now process transformed into:

1. send particle to past object
2. let past object send particle to you
3. RI

I need 10 secs of RI after 3 particles sent.
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Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2021, 02:27:49 am »
Stuck again lol :)

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Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2021, 07:23:41 am »
Hi Dmitry,

The only thing i can think of is that you may need to run RI a lot (if in doubt, run RI).
Although objects on level 2 are quiet and i am doing bodies now, i still sometimes run RI for half an hour before i can even start.

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Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2021, 07:54:16 am »
:) thank you for trying help, Jur93n!

I ran perception RI for about half an hour today on my balcony, no change, RI was flat.

I think my problem is lack of visio.
I have a question. Why when I have dreams at night  - i have perfect visio?)) But not after waking up.

Usually when I start view past scene - it dissapears in a sec and my attention jumps in present time.

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« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2021, 08:02:45 am »
Dennis had perfect visio long before TROM or professional oditor trainig:

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Another big case again I made in my Dianetic auditing with Nobby was that I had been a black case when I started my auditing, I was a black case and about two or three months after I started, roundabout Christmas 1950, I was in session with him one day and I remember it very, very clearly that I had this, I was in a road... and I knew the road very well near my childhood home, and there was a front door in front of me and I needed to know the number of the house. Well I knew the number was on the front door. Though I couldn't see the number on the door, I knew the number was there. See, case wise I had accurate impressions, accurate sonic impressions and accurate visual impressions but I was black, I never saw anything.
I was a black case. I had no actual visual field, or to put it another way, I had a black field. Whichever way you like. I was what was known as a black case. But anyway, in that session there suddenly I said to myself, the hell with this, I want to see what that number is on that door and I started to mentally look at the number on the door and suddenly a chink appeared in the blackness and the blackness started to move away and there was the number. There was the door, there was the road, there was the pavement, there was everything just as I'd remembers it, just as I knew it was as a child. There was the street, there was the memory in complete technicolor. My blackness disappeared. By the end of the session I could move up and down my time track in full technicolor visio. The blackness had just gone instantly. It was just my... I realized many years afterwards it was simply my power, my intention to see the number on the door. In other words, it was just the power of the spirit. I was intended to see, to break the blackness and I broke it. It was my blackness and I intended to see through it and I saw through it and got rid of it. I didn't need it anymore. Looking back in retrospect, I realized I've never had any need of pictures in my mind as a child and so I've never looked at my past properly. I could always recall what I wanted to recall and I've never actually had a need to look at things in great detail in my past and so, of course, I've never had the ability to do so. I'd never cultivated the ability. When I got into Dianetics, I needed that ability and so I created that ability to do it and I broke the blackness and started to see in full technicolor which I could have done at any time if I had really put my mind to it. I firmly believe that all black cases are of that nature. They simply have never learnt the ability, they've never needed the ability. If they really... could be guided to break the blackness any time they want to.
 Anyway in later years when... I became quite an expert on black cases because of my subjective experience of being a black case when I started off in therapy and breaking my own occlusion gave me... I. was an authority on the subject, the black case. There was no other Scientologist I knew in London who had been a black case and had broken his blackness. I was the only one so I was quite justified in calling myself an authority on the subject of black cases. But one should not take away the good auditing I got from Nobby because without that auditing I would have never broken through that black field. So one cannot detract from the fine auditing I got from my co?auditor. He made it, he really did make it possible even though in the final instance, of course, it was the preclear that did it, so the acclaim must go to the co?auditor, to the auditor in the session who did it. So it was a positive mark for my auditor, Nobby, who broke through my blackness for me.

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Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2021, 03:01:44 pm »
good questions

I wouldn't use the emeter but if its working for you now, then continue as long as its actually helping you produce results. You wont need it latter on. Youll see the mental mass and timebreak it out as fast as it apears. You can feel it like you feel a chair or a table or a bowling ball. its actual solidity . Mental mass solidity. Solids are solid by definition , mental solidity and non mental solidity and both forms of solidity . The solidity of your mental mass is what you are after. Its either solid in a heavy way or its less solid in a lighter way or its not solid at all .

PURE life energy has zero density and zero solidly

 Solidity in general can be determined and evaluated by using the white to black color scale

White has zero solidity and can be considered as pure life energy . AKA life.
blue has a little solidity
green has a little more all the way down to black which is as solid cold and round as you can get at the bottom of the scale .

its white
blue
green
red
yellow
magenta
 cyan and black .

side note ( a new born baby drinks white milk for the first time it feeds and poops black tar the first time it poops )

Milk enters the mouth located on the top front of body and exits out the bottem rear as a more solid form and a darker color.  Black tar ,

Find all the opposites and dont forget to include the swinging arms and legs that also move in every possible opposite direction at same time.

When we eat food it goes straight down and THEN begins to curve through intestines. More opposites

IF you think trom has nothing to do with opposites , you have too much mental mass to see it .

TROM address complementary and opposing postulates in conflict or unison.

Its about self and others
its about origin and receipt
its about knowing and not knowing , know and not know , the grand daddy of them all .
forcing and preventing and all of these have directions and flows .

end of note )

Any result or change for the better you experience using TROM is a good thing and it will enable you to find even more items to time break as you go. Its a progressive result that exponentially helps you become more and more able as you go towards L5.

We cant separate objectives from subjectivity but we can learn to use them together as a single item . They both need to exist as a single unit in order to fully understand them separately . Hot and cold are two poles of same item and so are up and down .

We can know that self and others are a set of two poles of the same item. Just because we can doesn't mean we must . Not knowing is just as needed as knowing .


I use L5 PFCC regarding as effect in my life allot but not as much as Id like to . You can use it to your advantage in some ways but it can also bite you in the ass in other ways .

The best we can do is understand that it is what it is and that its woven into life weather we know of it or not.

TROM is going to be different in some ways and similar in other ways from one person to the next .

We all have similar bodys and different minds. Similar minds and different bodies , You need to do the best you can with what you have to work with .

The best I can do for you is to have you re-read the games manual and return to L2. Then 3 4 and 5.

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Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2021, 04:05:37 pm »
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IF you think trom has nothing to do with opposites , you have too much mental mass to see it .
I work with opposites couple month ago. Most charged was "I and others". The problem with the opposites is to find charged one. It was hard for me like finding charged scene  ???


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its actual solidity . Mental mass solidity.
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The solidity of your mental mass is what you are after.

Thank you  :) it helped!!! I've focused my attention on any solidity( mental or real ), and changes and charges started to go out.
So simple...


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You can feel it like you feel a chair or a table or a bowling ball. its actual solidity .
lol :) hope so!!! Years ago I felt a lot of unpleasant emotions and tensions in my body while working, talking with people or just walking in park.
Now its all gone and its a problem to find charge to get perfect e-meter reads for L3 test completion.

Thank you!!! I will hunt solidity now  8)