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Colleen

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Doing Level Two with regard to Persons
« on: March 09, 2014, 10:53:37 am »
Attached is a post from Paul Tipon on how he ran Level Two regarding Persons.   He brought the "then" person up against a "now" object in his environment.   Of course the differences would be greater than the similarities. 

When I first read the instructions I assumed Dennis meant objects against objects and persons against persons.   To do persons though I would either have to have pictures of people in front of me as "now" persons, or I would have to simply bring up two people side by side from different locations (not the same incident).    Of course, in that case, similarities would be greater -- even greater than differences I would say -- and more charge would run off.   In fact, at this stage of mental compulsion one's life could flash before their eyes regarding an importance that might come up when comparing persons with persons. 

I have yet to compare persons with objects.



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Re: Doing Level Two with regard to Persons
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2014, 11:21:57 am »
I copied over a post from the Trom email list.   This is from Ralph Clouse, Class VI (uninterned) auditor, a Trommer, and who is also delivering Grade Two (overts and withholds) to me:

Hi Colleen

The difference between persons and objects would seem obvious. Similarities is not so obvious.

Apparent life to apparent non-life
 
Whereas person to person there would be a more obvious / important relationship and similarity of beingness characteristics, there by restimulation factor of a past person whom is charged in your mind, impressing itself in the NOW via similar personality traits and or looks, judgements, conclusions etc  of a person in PT.

I would think experience in Level 2 exercises using then persons with now persons a very desirable gradient in preparation for level 3,4,5 Timebreaking.

Keep on TROMing

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Re: Doing Level Two with regard to Persons
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2014, 11:48:18 am »
In most of my Level 2 sessions the charge is in the similarities, not the differences.   The old A=A=A spoken of in Dianetics.

I could not yet find the reference but I thought somewhere Dennis says the main purpose of running differences is for balance.

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Re: Doing Level Two with regard to Persons
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2014, 07:55:44 pm »
I think that's a good point about the charge being in the similarities, running out the times we have wrongly perceived different things as being the same, even though Dennis put it the other way in the lecture Level 2 TROM:

So we are separating all the time, every time we are doing the command on Level 2, the “Difference” command, we're separating out all the time and we are running all the “similarities” simply to keep the flow balanced out, that's all.

Either way, it's plain that both similarities and differences need to be run.

On Level 2 I had mostly compared past people with present objects; trees worked well for this.  I also tried bringing a recall of my late mother up against my wife in PT, this timebroke very quickly. For example, my mother was the taller of the two - I'd just never remarked that fact before, never having seen them together in life. 

Timebreaking persons against objects seems reasonable considering that all we are timebreaking is their body, which is just another created effect. I don't think it's possible to timebreak the persons themselves (thetans) since they are causes, not effects. But I'm inclined now to try a Level 2 session in a busy place outdoors, as someone suggested on the mailing list, to see if anything more can be got from timebreaking persons against persons.

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Re: Doing Level Two with regard to Persons
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2014, 07:44:04 pm »
The charge is on similarities for me also. As Colleen mentioned the old A=A=A=A equation. I love the simplistic approach Dennis used for taking back the function of bring up images and then comparing them in PT and the shredding of the mind begins....

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Re: Doing Level Two with regard to Persons
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2014, 11:29:11 pm »
Hi, Tim,

Yes I agree.   Scientologists however are used to "timebreaking" in other ways, although I don't think they are as efficient as Dennis' method.

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