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Self imposed standard(s)
« on: July 18, 2021, 03:12:30 am »
Hi everyone,

I have pondered on something that I would like to ask some of you more experienced Trommers and perhaps debunk some of my possible misconception.

Q: Is it true that once you are on level 3 you will actually be able to see (and even be able to hear) past scenes?

I feel I am putting hidden standards on myself and I just want to compare with others how they perceive things on level 3.

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Re: Self imposed standard(s)
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2021, 08:49:53 am »
As was Dennis' initial case, it is hard for me to see unless I do six directions on what little bit I do see in front of me.  If I'm having a hard time seeing I can also do "Reach and Withdraw".  Either one gets me to see.  I don't hear so much as I see the actions and intentions of those interactions, and emotional/sensational content. Sometimes I have to drop down to Level Two, and even Dennis talks about that.


Hi everyone,

I have pondered on something that I would like to ask some of you more experienced Trommers and perhaps debunk some of my possible misconception.

Q: Is it true that once you are on level 3 you will actually be able to see (and even be able to hear) past scenes?

I feel I am putting hidden standards on myself and I just want to compare with others how they perceive things on level 3.

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Re: Self imposed standard(s)
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2021, 08:42:55 pm »
Hello Karalee, thank you for your reply. Although I know that Dennis did not make these points requirements for any of the levels I just wanted a confirmation from another Trommer to put this thing to rest. As a being I seem to be pretty tough on myself and I have realized that I should relax (dissolve the mustness) way way more.

Again thank you for your reply, means a lot to me.

Jurgen

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Re: Self imposed standard(s)
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2021, 10:10:51 pm »
My pleasure. Even RI I don't really see, but my intention carries the day and I get huge releases of psychic energy - big yawns - and then the room is more "here" and mind is quiet and I get some damned good ideas to boot.  During a session though, doing six directions always gets me to seeing enough - even if cloudy - to get the floating needle and expanded viewpoints.  I'm sure it only gets better.  :)  I have worse handicaps to doing TROM full on than the small problem of not seeing in technicolor  :)

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Re: Self imposed standard(s)
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2021, 10:23:54 pm »
Karalee, indeed when I do RI I also do not see my creations as a continues presence. The only thing I see is either a quick glimpse after which it is hidden from me, other times I see a very very ghostly creation but not completely only parts I focus on. For me it is the same with past objects, it is like I am invalidating myself because of not seeing the past object/scene with my eyes, also very short or ghostly impressions.

Anyhow, I do see/feel progress so I just persist and continue the exercises until they are as flat as can be.

Thanks Karalee.... wish you well!
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2021, 02:46:56 am »
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when I do RI I also do not see my creations as a continues presence. The only thing I see is either a quick glimpse after which it is hidden from me, other times I see a very very ghostly creation but not completely only parts I focus on. For me it is the same with past objects, it is like I am invalidating myself because of not seeing the past object/scene with my eyes, also very short or ghostly impressions.

I have same perceptions, very quick glipmse visio. I think I am black case.

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Q: Is it true that once you are on level 3 you will actually be able to see (and even be able to hear) past scenes?

In my case - answer is NO :)

Do you have an e-meter?
Dennis  has created a test with e-meter to check lvl 3 completeion.

upd: But I'm not sure on what level I am now. Lvl2 doesnt work now, Lvl3 too, but I cant pass the e-meter test, so I think I made some mistakes.
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Re: Self imposed standard(s)
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2021, 12:02:38 am »
I did have an e-meter many years ago but decided not to use it because I found it to be a distraction and eventually you had to stop using it. So I prefer relying on being on my own.

I do not think I am in a position to give advice to you on where you are at. The only thing I would say is to do a lot of RI, since you are in doubt.
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Re: Self imposed standard(s)
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2021, 12:20:38 pm »
I could see images from day one using trom,  but I also did allot of Dianetics and Scientology in the 80's as a head start .

I use Positive AND Negative attributes in my environment for my objectives

Subjects describe the Objects we see  hear  smell taste  etc etc in our mind. They are inseparable and you wont find one without its other half . They are two poles of same item and two sides of same coin .

Anything considered important also grants importance to its absence.

In other words if you consider money important, you MUST also consider its absence just as important

If you consider your children important , their absence is also important but in an opposite way .

Important job ?  better not lose it because its too important to lose.

Importance IS matter . It matters It literally matters and its the same  " matter" as any kind of matter . Matter has mass and density but its the importance that puts it there.

when we love someone we want them close to us and feel bad when they are far away
when we hate someone we want them far from us and feel good when they are gone
when someone we love feels good , we do to
when someone we love feels bad , we do to
when someone we hate feels bad we feel good
when someone we hate feels good we feel bad

This is what the torus is all about . Not so much the subjects but the unity and duality of subjects

We can apply the way of the torus to any object and any subject . EVERYTHING in life,  and its not being used correctly by anyone I know of other than myself

feelings are emotional and are not arbitrary. Its determined by the symmetry of the torus 

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Re: Self imposed standard(s)
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2021, 11:55:48 am »
Good you have a good grasp on duality.  Dennis' former work, the Tao Te Ching taught me all that, followed by hundreds of hours of "looking"  :)





I could see images from day one using trom,  but I also did allot of Dianetics and Scientology in the 80's as a head start .

I use Positive AND Negative attributes in my environment for my objectives

Subjects describe the Objects we see  hear  smell taste  etc etc in our mind. They are inseparable and you wont find one without its other half . They are two poles of same item and two sides of same coin .

Anything considered important also grants importance to its absence.

In other words if you consider money important, you MUST also consider its absence just as important

If you consider your children important , their absence is also important but in an opposite way .

Important job ?  better not lose it because its too important to lose.

Importance IS matter . It matters It literally matters and its the same  " matter" as any kind of matter . Matter has mass and density but its the importance that puts it there.

when we love someone we want them close to us and feel bad when they are far away
when we hate someone we want them far from us and feel good when they are gone
when someone we love feels good , we do to
when someone we love feels bad , we do to
when someone we hate feels bad we feel good
when someone we hate feels good we feel bad

This is what the torus is all about . Not so much the subjects but the unity and duality of subjects

We can apply the way of the torus to any object and any subject . EVERYTHING in life,  and its not being used correctly by anyone I know of other than myself

feelings are emotional and are not arbitrary. Its determined by the symmetry of the torus