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Jur93n

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more and more significant past objects
« on: July 31, 2021, 12:32:14 am »
Could someone show me how to understand this. Am i correct in thinking that objects that you have used a lot for a certain purpose (like a school-bag, or calculator) are good significant objects. Is it about how valuable an object is or was for you that makes it significant? Like when i was 3/4 years old i had a mini tractor (plastic) that i would ride on, can this be regarded as a very significant object?

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Re: more and more significant past objects
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2021, 06:29:21 pm »
The importance(significance) automatically grabs attention.
Stronger importance attracts attention stronger than weaker ones.

The gradient of importance can be shown with the following example:

There are two suitcases in front of you.
One contains a million dollars, another - 10 dollars.

Which one will you choose?
Where will your attention automatically go?

Your attention go for a million.
That means the importance of "million dollars" > the importance of "10 dollars".

There are two new suitcases.
One contains "10 dollars" and other contains "old boot"

Which one will you choose?
Where will your attention automatically go?

Your attention go for a "10 dollars"
That means the importance of "10 dollars" > the importance of "old boot".

There are two new suitcases.
One contains "grain of sand" and other contains "old boot"

Which one will you choose?
Where will your attention automatically go?

Your attention go for a "old boot".
That means the importance of "old boot" > the importance of "grain of sand".

So in the end we have gradient of importance:
1)million dollars
2)10 dollars
3)old boot
4)grain of sand

On lvl2 we start from 4 then 3, 2, 1.

In my case Lvl2 have killed all importances, now they dont grab attention.






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Re: more and more significant past objects
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2021, 09:21:05 pm »
Hmmm yes I can see that, for me it seems to be more about objects that have or can bring me learning/knowledge/interest/fun or those that are useful for achieving something like physical fitness, in that case objects like dumbbells, kettlebells and other exercise equipment.
Anyway the bottom line seems to be that we have assigned significance to objects through many different ways, through a goal/purpose that we have ourselves or because of others. Like "brushing your teeth is important" so objects like a toothbrush becomes important as well.

Thank you Dmitry for you answer, very much appreciate the interaction.
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2021, 12:28:52 pm »
compare some things you consider to be unimportant like the 2547th time you tied your shoes to the time when you first began to walk .

Timebreaking is about comparing the past to the present and reevaluating past importance in the present.

If it was significant then , compare its present significance ( if any ) of now or future. If it has no significance now, and you compare the two , the past significance will vanish and become insignificant.  If it still has significance in the present , its not going to vanish . It doesent mean it cant become significant in the future but it wont be significant in the present  until you make it significant again in the present.  Mental mass is IMPORTANCE Things of past importance need not be important in the present. Being cleaned shaven may have been important in the past but are no longer importance today .

By the time you get to Level 5, you will be vanishing solid mental mass , the hard core of the mind. I timebreak all mental mass no matter what it is and I dont need to know what it is , only that its mental mass that must be vanished with time-breaking .

We are all better off with less mental mass than more mental mass so the objective is to vanish all mental mass no matter how you got it in the first place.  Vanish it .

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Re: more and more significant past objects
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2021, 07:43:01 pm »
Hi Slim,

It seems you are saying that mental mass is important, however the Trom manual never states anything of importance. Importance is the 'button'.
To me it seems that the objective is "to exercise the being in the creation of complementary and conflicting postulates". The route out is from the compulsive playing of games, through the voluntary playing of games, to an ending of all games by the adoption of complementary postulates and so the achieving of a non game situation: Nirvana.

I do not see anywhere in the Trom manual that vanishing mental mass is the objective.

Be well!

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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2021, 11:13:57 am »


( quote )

That which is considered important tends to persist and to become more solid. Solidity and persistence - need for - are thus the basic conviction phenomena in games. Things are made more solid and more persistent to convince others of their existence. The mechanism is entirely reversible: that which is persisting and solid is tended to be regarded as important.
 ( end trom quote )

Level 5 leads to resolving unity and duality much like the corrupted chinese yin and yang but I use positive and negatives. The Chinese version is the negative version . YOU USE POSITIVE american version . Its uncorrupted.

But you need to have had your teeth sunk well into L5 FIRST .

Dennis uses the terms  "complementary " and "conflicting" but the translation is actually unity and duality . ( Unity complements and duality opposes in conflict )

UNITY is the positive and duality is ITS NEG pole or " LEG  " if you want .

importance generates stuck attention . Black goo, or hard like basalt.   


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Those things you see hear smell taste feel and say are  ALL holographic.

The sounds you hear or smells you smell are holographic in nature . Same for touch and sight .

If you hear a car drive by your home but dont see it  ? ONLY the sound exists . The car is mocked up by you  " subjectively " The sound of the car is an OBJECTIVE sound but the car you only  " consider to be there too with your subjective reality  .

Solidity is a LAW . A law that states no two things can occupy the same space at the same time . that  is the ONLY thing that makes solidity . ITS ALL HOLLOW , we live in a hologram.


Compare the mental images that are devoid of this LAW in your subjective mind  to the objective world you think you live in that has this law.

Our mental images can do anything and go anywhere . Its SUBJECTIVE
Our eyeball images in the OBJECTIVE world must abide by this law.

we only have 2 choices. OBJECTIVE ( the outside of our mind ) and SUBJECTIVE , the inside of our mind.

The law only applys to OBJECTIVES and OBJECTIVE REALITY
Is does not apply to our mental subjective reality .

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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2021, 12:07:45 pm »
do a word search for the word  "SOLIDITY " or  "  solid " in the trom games manual on this forum . There are many references on the subject of importance and solidity

Solid applys to both subjects and objects .

The mind we consider to be inside our head has almost no solidly and is subjective
Our environment on the outside of our body has full solidly and is OBJECTIVE,

The only difference between the two is the amount of solidity aka density ,

MATTER comes from energy and time comes from the space between energy and matter.

energy is the positive leg of matter
Space is the positive leg of time.

You wont find everything I say in the games manual but if you ask , I will find a reference about it in there some place for you if its there.

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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2021, 12:32:31 pm »

TROM QUOTE

So even though Level Four is complete we still have a residual hard-core of mind left, and our job on
Level Five is to bring it into view so it can be Timebroken. As your power of postulate increases on
Level Five, so youíll be able to spring more and more of this into view; this in turn will improve your
power of postulate even more, which will permit you to spring even deeper levels into view. And so
on until the job is finally done. How capable will you be? I donít know, for to the very best of my
knowledge no one has got there yet. You write and tell me about it. I do known this, though: the sky is
a lot higher than you think. Even when you can knock a couple of planets out of orbit with the whisper
of a thought, youíre still only a babe in arms in terms of your full potential. Only life has ever put a
limit to the ability of life.

end quote

use freezone.org. Its in its original form

http://www.freezoneearth.org/pub/trompdf.pdf

do a word search for core and solid and importance in separated searches