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Some questions about TIME
Dmitry:
1. What is TIME?
2. How can I feel TIME?
3. How can I check that TIME is BROKEN while timebreaking? Should timebroken scene look like frozen for example?
thank you! :)
Jur93n:
TROM manual quotes:
"A being can view ‘now’ from any viewpoint. A being can view ‘then’ from any viewpoint. Thus, every moment in time is a complete universe which is viewable to the being. (Viewpoint here is used in the sense of a ‘position from which to view’, and not in the sense of holding a mental opinion.) Thus, a being is natively capable of viewing every particle that has ever been brought into existence in this, or any other universe, from any viewpoint he so desire. He is also natively capable of taking any of these particle back out of existence again if he so desires. Whether or not he can get agreement from others on this latter step is merely a matter of how convincing he is to others, and is not a pre-requisite to the accomplishment of the feat. That others may choose to keep these particles in existence, still is, in the final instance, entirely their concern. Thus, you can walk out of the trap without the need to take everyone else with you. Believing differently is not to grant others the right to their own convictions - a trap all of its own.
Any changes you bring about, whether changes in ‘then’ or changes in ‘now’ you bring about now. So any changes you make to ‘then’, later than when the event occurred, will not ipso-facto produce changes in ‘now’. Thus, what is called the time paradox is exposed for the lie that it is."
"If this concept seems difficult to grasp, it is only because on has become used to the idea of moving through time. This is an illusion brought about be entrapment in mass which is enduring through time. Only the particles, the effects, are created, made to endure, and are finally destroyed. The spiritual being, the creator of all these postulates, is utterly timeless. Once one fully grasps this, it is easy to see that changing the past does not ipso-facto produce a change in the present."
Level 3 says this (from the TROM manual), quotes:
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Commands:
a) "Select a past scene. Become simultaneously aware of the scene and present time around you. Don't try and Timebreak all of the scene at once. Take it a bit at a time. Continue to do this until the past scene 'fades' - i.e. begins to 'fall away' in intensity compared to present time."
b) "Select a new past scene, and repeat a)"
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Although the past will progressively vanish during this Level, nothing is being lost except the enforcement to view it; any part of your past that has been Timebroken can easily be brought back into existence once more merely by desiring to view it.
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Dmitry:
Hi! :D
Thank you! You have brought quotes for question 3.
--- Quote --- until the past scene 'fades' - i.e. begins to 'fall away' in intensity compared to present time."
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--- Quote --- the enforcement to view it
--- End quote ---
I think that criteria is not working for me. :'(
All my scenes are faded and have zero intensity.
All my scenes dont enforce me to view them.
And what about questions 1 and 2? ???
I think I need some more deeper understanding of all of this...
guest62:
From my experience, I only used mental image scenes up to Level 3 and from that point on I timebroke solid mental mass my images are attached too. It was a natural flow from images to mental mass aka charge in the form of mental mass
Its black or dark gray mental matter . Its a FEELING of subjective mental mass that is not in the form of distinct images, its in the form of weight solidity and its dark in color .
Some are so huge it would take days to get it to vanish . I timebreak it using the present scene to crush it 360 degrees inwards from the outside inwards , over and over and over and over until the feeling of mass vanishes.
Whats in the scene makes no difference because I timebreak any and all mental mass I can find . I timebreak colors patterns masses black goo . Some masses make my head move back and forth from side to side in a vibration like motion as its being timebroken
Dont get stuck because you cant or dont see the images around the mass . Just TB anything you see in your mind.
Every level I did moved me into the next level automatically . I read the games manual hundreds of times to make sure I had it right and listened to a computer voice audio version at a slightly faster than normal speed many times as well .
TROM deals with the mind and the mind is a subjective matter
What about OBJECTS, aka OBJECTIVES ? Create an importance ? Have others do the same etc etc . Or touching solid objects at the same time you replace your importance
Subjects are in the mind
Objects are in the environment outside the mind around you or just in front of you because nothing exists unless we see hear feel taste smell of say it does. We are literally putting our objective environment in front and around us every moment of every day and simple dont " know it " Know and not know are the granddaddy of them all and all goals lead to them both . There are only 2
subjective and objectives. There isnt a third now is there,
When any subjective exercise grinds to a halt , you use the other, OBJECTIVES and when its topped up you use subjective back and forth
Objectives are the positive pole of subjective, its neg pole ( or leg )
You literally need to create real importance's in your life and lots of them . Considering a coffee cup important after you've time broke a planet exploding isnt gonna be enough .
You need massive importance in the present time. No bus tickets.
when one fails to produce, you switch to the other
objects subjects objects subjects .......... it never ends
I use trom for subjective and the torus ( +/- ) for my objectives,
Dmitry:
--- Quote ---Some are so huge it would take days to get it to vanish
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wow ))
--- Quote ---Every level I did moved me into the next level automatically
--- End quote ---
wow!)
--- Quote ---Some masses make my head move back and forth from side to side in a vibration like motion as its being timebroken
--- End quote ---
I had body motions too, I call them dynamic meditation.
--- Quote ---Dont get stuck because you cant or dont see the images around the mass . Just TB anything you see in your mind.
--- End quote ---
I see and feel nothing in my mind. Thats the problem. I think i dont understand something fundamental about all of this.
--- Quote --- I read the games manual hundreds of times
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Me too)) one day I've realized that I've learned it by heart.
--- Quote ---You literally need to create real importance's in your life and lots of them
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))) I dont feel that I can. Nothing seems important. I cant pretend that some mental images are important for me. Preceptional RI flated too.
Im doing TROM since 2012 about 2-3 hours a day average. It worked good all this years, I become very calm person, but now Im stucked.
I cant pass LVL3 e-meter test, no persistent F\N. RI doesnt work, L2 doesnt work, L3 doesnt work, L4 doesnt work :)
So I just want to ask you fundamental thing.
What is TIME for you?
How it can be feeled?
How can I be sure in my timebreaking?
--- Quote ---Its a FEELING of subjective mental mass that is not in the form of distinct images, its in the form of weight solidity and its dark in color .
--- End quote ---
Mental mass = TIME for you?
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