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mjh

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Wins - do they ever happen?
« on: February 14, 2018, 11:24:37 am »
It has now been several weeks of dipping in and out of running this set. I started off very keen, but there has been no sense of a 'win' or a resolution to anything through running this. Hence, the commitment to continue is reducing - I have focused on reading the full set of books (thanks Pete!) to retain my interest. Can anyone offer any advice here, I am still quite sure that this set of processes holds great value - but, I'd like to know how to unlock it for myself.

What noticeable positive changes have others experienced on Level 2?

Is it that I am not gaining wins, a signal that I am done on 2, or that I haven't actually got out of 1...?

Many thanks again! :)

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Re: Wins - do they ever happen?
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2018, 04:14:30 pm »
Hello,

Every session should be a win. If you are not feeling better at the end of each session then when you started the session then something is not happening during the session that should be happening.

Are you running sufficient RI? You should feel very good and alert after each time that you run RI. When I did Level two I needed to spend twice as much time doing RI as I did running the process. For example I might spend 15 minutes doing RI at the start of the session, 15 minutes doing the Level two process and another 15 minutes doing RI at the end of the session.

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Re: Wins - do they ever happen?
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2018, 06:21:18 pm »
Survivor, hi!

Thanks for the reply.

What kind of win should be achieved at this level?

Can you please offer an example of something - maybe I am expecting something else and missing the win...?

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Re: Wins - do they ever happen?
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2018, 08:42:55 pm »
Level 2 is there to reduce the compulsive game condition with the mind so you can image that the intensity of change and change over time are directly related to how serious the games condition is for that person.
So i guess do not get hung up on trying to be aware of progress, instead make sure you do your sessions well by doing RI when you start, do your level you are at (and sometimes do RI when you feel you need it) and end your session with RI. It might make sense to write down session notes which might be useful to see 'progress' over time (and this can mean months or even years).

It is like physical exercise, building muscles, getting stronger, this can take years, in the beginning your might not notice any changes whatsoever, but consistency, doing your exercise routine after months and years you suddenly might look in the mirror and go 'whoa i see some good changes'.

Note: For me it was hard to see my own change, instead i had comments from others telling me that i was progressing a lot. Self progress is most of the time hard to see so don't bother.
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Re: Wins - do they ever happen?
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2018, 06:46:25 pm »
Hello,

Get the small things right, pay attention to detail and the big things will take care of themselves. If your sessions are not productive, try rereading everything that Dennis has to say about Repair of Importance and Level Two. Sometimes rereading material after practical application will give a different or expanded understanding. Do the sessions exactly as Dennis recommends.

As to “wins”, yours may be very different from mine as we each of us bring different life experiences to the situation. To some extent the feast we enjoy depends upon what we bring to the table. I will say that if you continue with TROM you had better get used to the idea of spending a lot more time being happy.

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Re: Wins - do they ever happen?
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2018, 02:57:36 am »
The last few nights, I've been running Lvl2 on people and noticing changes to my internal responses.

I did have another interesting effect on this process I'd like to share:

As I was dropping off to sleep, I was mentally running through things from the day. I'd been cleaning up a workshop for my father and in the evening I suddenly experienced a shock and negative set of physical responses when thinking about a particular machine, for some reason when thinking of it, it was turned on and my hand got caught in it causing quite an accident (to be clear this did not happen in reality!). I started to run Lvl2 on the hand in the machine - within spotting 3 differences the physical response was eliminated and my attitude and thoughts of the machine and my hand were reduced to 'matter of fact' ideas.

So, a win for Lvl 2! 
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Re: Wins - do they ever happen?
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2018, 11:24:55 am »
Hello  :-)

Dennis talks about "change occurring" while running a process or doing RI.  Is that what you mean by a "win" - when no more change is occurring and perhaps you get some more enlightened ideas or feel better?

I know change is occurring when there is some physical (somatic) or emotional stuff that comes up; after that the tension or whatever lessens and whatever was important is now less important in some respect.

Does that help?