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TROM for Non-Scientologists Part Two
« on: March 12, 2019, 03:03:57 pm »
Handling incidents in Dianetics vs Handling incidents in TROM
In order to understand how incidents are handled in TROM, and why they are handled the way they are, we’re going to have to take a big long step back to the subject of Dianetics for awhile.
Putting L Ron Hubbard’s masterpiece Dianetics, a four or five hundred page work into the next few pages would be a tall order indeed.  If you want to read it in its entirety, it is a book I recommend.  But for now let’s just cover the relevant points to TROM theory and therapy.
The theory of Dianetics suggests that our minds are divided into two parts—the analytical mind and the reactive mind.  The analytical mind is the rational computing mind that we are all aware of.  The reactive mind is the hidden mind that makes absurd computations based on traumatic past incidents of unconsciousness or emotional stress.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking the analytical mind is the conscious mind and the reactive mind is the subconscious.  These two minds are not one for one the same in design as their supposed psychological counterparts.  If they were, L Ron Hubbard would have just used those terms instead of coming up with his own.
So don’t let your knowledge of psychology get in the way of your understanding of Dianetics.
The analytical mind records incidents on a conscious level.  It analyzes data and makes computations intended to direct the organism in the direction of optimum survival for himself, his family, his group, and mankind.
According to Hubbard, the analytical mind makes perfect computations based on the data it possesses.  If the analytical mind has correct data, and enough data, the individual should not have any problems surviving in this world, all things being equal.
But here’s the problem—the reactive mind screws things up for the analytical mind by the way it makes irrational computations based on “data” hidden from the analytical mind that the reactive mind yet enforces upon it.
How in the world does this happen?
If you’ve ever seen a hypnotist in action, you would know that what the hypnotist does is implant suggestions in people’s minds after inducing a state of unconsciousness or semi-consciousness in their subjects.  One is told to walk like a duck when the hypnotist touches his hat.  Another is told to start singing the national anthem whenever the hypnotist says the word “Carnation”.  If the hypnotist is skilled, his subjects will perform the actions, not know why, and may even come up with reasons for why they are doing these things to justify their strange behavior.
What Hubbard discovered is that what occurs with the hypnotist on stage is what naturally occurs in the mind in life.
When you are knocked unconscious, go under sedation, or suffer an injury, the analytical mind turns off, and the reactive mind starts recording.  It records sight, sound, touch, smell, etc.  Because the reactive mind is a hidden mind, you don’t have any immediate recall of what occurred.  BUT it still influences you.
Now here’s the kicker—if people SAY things around you while you are injured, unconscious, or under sedation, these things said around the person register the same way hypnotic commands do.  Later on, if similar circumstances to the incident that caused the unconsciousness or injury occur, the reactive mind can enforce those commands on the individual, just like the hypnotist triggers his subjects to do certain things when he says or does certain things.
Here are some examples:
A person might feel a little strange when he sees someone similar-looking to the dental assistant who put him under for his dental surgery. 
Someone who was hit by a car has a reactive mind recording of one of the rescue workers saying “don’t move him now” while he is lying on the pavement.  Later on, he may feel somewhat slow or hesitant whenever any of the circumstances of the accident occur again in his life.
Recordings of unconsciousness in the reactive mind are called engrams.  When the circumstances of an engram are approximated in real life, and the reactive mind exerts its influence on the analytical mind as a result of it, it is called restimulation.
Dianetic therapy is the process of one person called an auditor guiding the person in therapy, called a preclear to view these past moments of pain and unconsciousness so that they no longer have this hidden effect on him.
Hubbard believed that since the reactive mind had such an influence on the individual that there was no way that a person could engage in this therapy solo.  The person receiving the therapy in attempting to contact the reactive mind would either find nothing there, or go unconscious trying without the guidance of the auditor.
In Dianetics, the auditor gets the preclear to look at these engrams, eyes closed, and review the incidents repeatedly until the incidents have no further harmful effect on him, and the preclear is fully aware of what happened in the incident.
Although this appears to be hypnotism that the auditor is performing, it most certainly is not.  It is actually the exact opposite of hypnotism, as hypnotism is an attempt to leave the subject unaware, whereas Dianetics is an attempt to increase awareness. 
Once a person has reviewed all of his engrams in Dianetic therapy (better known as “auditing” or “processing”) and his reactive mind no longer exerts a hidden influence on him, he achieves a state known as “clear” (thus the term PREclear for the person who engages in Dianetics auditing).
OK so let’s take a quick review here.  The reactive mind makes hidden recordings during unconsciousness.  Later on these recordings can affect the way the analytical mind behaves.  Because of the hidden nature of the reactive mind, a person cannot handle these incidents without the assistance of another getting him to confront them.  Therefore, the state of “clear” (someone who no longer has harmful content in their reactive mind) cannot be achieved alone. 
And this is where L Ron Hubbard leaves off and Dennis Stephens picks up.
You see, the whole operation of the reactive mind is to take moments from the past and enforce them on the present.  The process of the analytical mind is to reason.
So, what if you could teach the analytical mind to do the same thing as the reactive mind does, and then be able to evaluate incidents rationally?
Although L Ron Hubbard once himself wrote:
"if you can get the preclear to do consciously that which his mind does automatically, he will regain control of that function of his psyche."
He never actually applied that concept to Dianetics auditing, specifically to the reactive mind and the handling of engrams.
Now I am not suggesting that one tries examining engrams in his reactive mind immediately upon knowing this.  Neither does Dennis. 
BUT what Dennis does teach is an effective method of handling past incidents called timebreaking.  It’s something you begin to learn at level two of TROM and get plenty of practice on in level three.  And it’s mainly done with incidents one is consciously aware of at those levels all for the purpose of training the analytical mind to do what the reactive mind does.  The result is that the more practiced the TROM practitioner working on himself is with this technique the less of an effect his reactive mind has on him, because his analytical mind is taking over the show.
In other words, Dianetics attempts to erase the reactive mind with the help of a separate therapist.  In TROM, the individual working solo learns how to make the analytical mind “steal the job” of the reactive mind.
Timebreaking is a concept that can be explained, but is best understood when experienced.  But for now, I will just explain.
If you can take an incident from your past and (eyes open) view it at the same time as you view the present, then evaluate the incident against the present, then that part of your past will not affect you anymore.
How? Why?
Simple.  On level two you take objects out of your past and view them next to objects in the present.  Then you note differences and similarities between the past objects and the current objects.  This mimics the reactive mind’s attempts to enforce the past on the present.  However, the evaluation of differences and similarities is an analytical function.  Once this analytical process has been performed, you are released from the “reactive” force a past object has on you.
Once you have trained yourself to do this on level two, the evaluation of differences and similarities between past and present becomes pretty automatic.  Now you are ready to view full incidents from your known past.  That’s level three.
Once you have exhausted all possible incidents you can on level three, you then need to start stimulating your mind with postulates.  That’s the business of level four.  On level four you stimulate your mind with the eight classes of overwhelm, and once you view the incidents that present themselves, you timebreak them.
Once you have exhausted all possible incidents on level four, you then move to level five, which involves not only your postulates, but postulates that oppose your postulates, and explore deeper levels of conflict in your mind.
Now that I have summarized levels 2-5 it is now necessary to let you know what happens on level one and why.  In order to understand that, I need to introduce a few more concepts.
When conflicting postulates, overwhelms, engrams, overts, motivators, etc occur in the mind, it is said that mental mass exists.  And this sort of mental mass is harmful stuff, whether you want to go with Hubbard’s theories or Dennis’s theories, both therapies are directed toward vanishing this harmful mental mass from the mind.
Don’t worry, the actual memories are still there.  Only the harmful effects are removed.  In both Dianetics and TROM you have full recall of everything that has happened to you, and in fact better recall once the harmful effects have been removed.
But what happens to the person and his mind when you start removing harmful mental mass from it?
Well, the being seems to be in a pretty bad trap in the physical universe and in his mind.  And much the same way former prisoners seem to want to go back to their cells, the person being freed from harmful mental mass will attract upon himself more harmful mental mass to try to replace what he’s lost.
But the being doesn’t have to do this.  Instead, what he can do is create his own mental mass to replace what he’s lost.  Therefore, level one is all about how to do this.  It involves simple processes where the TROM practitioner working on himself “creates” things all around himself.  If this process doesn’t prove effective, then the person gets in contact with his present time reality by contacting his environment with his hands.
Therefore, one won’t end up with “holes in his psyche” from having erased harmful mental mass from his mind.
So here we have it:
Level one teaches the being to create his own (non-harmful) mental mass.
Level two teaches the being to timebreak objects.
Level three is the practice of timebreaking incidents.
Level four is the process of inducing the mind to produce incidents to timebreak by using the eight classes of overwhelm as his guide.
Level five plays out conflicts between the individual and the physical universe, inducing more and more incidents to come to view in order to be timebroken.
There is a LOT more to level five than that.  But it’s not necessary to understand the complexities of level five before embarking on TROM therapy.  Levels 1-4 will keep you plenty occupied for long enough for you to study what level five is and be ready for it when the time comes.
But the most important concept to know for now is the act of timebreaking.  It’s called such because when you simultaneously view “then” and “now” you are “breaking” the illusion of time.  You bring the past into the present, mimicking the function of the reactive mind, and then releasing yourself from the negative effects of the past by evaluating it with the analytical mind.
Once the analytical mind masters this skill, the reactive mind collapses on its own, having no further use to the being.

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Re: TROM for Non-Scientologists Part Two
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2019, 10:29:06 pm »
This was needed and is well done.
For some time, I have been concerned that TROM might appear to a non-Scientologist as incomprehensible gibberish.
There is a glossary in each of the books, but Scientology jargon and concepts permeate the material due to its origin. Combining that with the introduction of TROM concepts and the result is a very steep gradient and an invitation to discouragement.
It was good of you to take upon yourself the task of smoothing the way for a newbie who does not have a background in Scientology.

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Re: TROM for Non-Scientologists Part Two
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2019, 11:35:16 pm »
Thats a great write up. Thanks. I really liked how you crossed the two technologies.

Ive been caught up on this "if you can get the being to do what the reactive mind does analytically" part. "Bring something into existence" seems to be doing what the reactive mind does.

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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2019, 12:36:41 am »
But you do know now that the purpose of "Bring something into existence" is to replace the mental mass you lose when you erase portions of the bank, right?
The way out is through creativity.
What the bank does is bring the past into the present.  So you don't start mimicking the bank until level two.
Level one is specifically for bringing one into present time.  Read what Dennis says about level one.
Hope I understood the intent of your comment, and I hope you understand what I just wrote, and that it helps.

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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2019, 03:05:17 am »
Yes exactly. I know its purpose is to replace vanished mental mass but thanks for the clarification. Dennis couldnt mention enough times to run RI. I was basically just saying that bringing something into existence is doing what the reactive mind does. The reactive mind brings the past into existence automatically, no? So making a new creation by bringing something into existence is like bringing the present into existence or something. I could be wrong lol

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Re: TROM for Non-Scientologists Part Two
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2019, 07:36:49 am »
Well, the reactive mind does not create or postulate anything on its own.  So while all the other levels mimic the reactive mind, I don't believe level one's intent is to do that.
That said, the theories don't need to be believed for the practical to work, and therefore if you have a theory about it of your own, it won't harm your processing one bit I suppose.
I am terribly glad -someone- is reading my posts, so thank you and survivor for not only that but acknowledging too.
As I see it, there's a terrible danger of TROM vanishing into obscurity given how the books are presented, and the evidence of so few members on this forum, and so little mention of it on the internet.  There's only a handful of reviews on Amazon for all the books even.
I intend to change that, and the first step is making TROM accessible to Non-Scientologists.  Scientology is a minority religion, and even then, only a very tiny amount of people are going to deviate from it  then only a small amount of those people are going to practice TROM . We are indoctrinated on the Keeping Scientology Working policy letter that tries to scare us out of our minds for even contemplating practicing anything but L Ron Hubbard's Technology.  I have to keep my practice of TROM secret just to keep my friends and business contacts.  Even I only got into it because I was denied auditing by the Church.
Thanks for responding.
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