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General Discussion / Re: Have the Masters Totally Resolved their Minds?
« on: March 17, 2014, 05:59:45 am »
what exactly is it you mean when you say you have achieved the ultimate?

the mind is completely vanished? what is the criterion by which this ultimate is measured?

because the way these masters have spoken, they speak from the point of view of the supreme. at least for lester and nisargadatta it is clear.

however i do not doubt when you say that there seems to be some kind of a "level" after liberation from identification with the mind and body.

for one thing, some masters claim godlike abilities while others do not. others say they could commune with other teachers while others' "achievement" seems to be limited to breaking the identification. apparently, there is some kind of a cosmic memory that holds the universe together and only a few masters have access to it.

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General Discussion / Re: Universes?
« on: March 11, 2014, 10:28:47 pm »
Quote from: Jonah Seymour on March 10, 2014, 12:26:49 am
Imagine a deck of cards, with an infinite number of cards.

No top of the deck, no bottom of the deck.

You can rearrange this deck of cards an infinite amount of ways.

Infinite possibility.

I have always been under the impression that our universes is similar to this.

You zoom in, you zoom out, from any perspective, and it never ends.

And there are individual components within this neverending universe.

So, just like the card deck, there are infinite ways it could be rearranged.

Infinite possibility.

Now what I'm not sure of is if this goes on further to the extent of not only, infinite possibility, but infinite universes.

If this is the case (Which I have concluded, due to the fact that the universe is infinite and limitless, which also means an infinite amount of limits expressed) I find it very troubling, because there will always be parallel universes expressing every possible type and amount of suffering. I do understand that there is a level of consciousness beyond dichotomy and caring. But still, is this the case? Just curious, either it isn't and I get over it, or it is, and I get over it.

I don't have a Scientology background, and I hear Dennis mention "universes" "this universe" "junior universes" and "the real universe"...

Could someone help enlighten me? :-)


Jonah
Quote from: Jonah Seymour on March 10, 2014, 12:26:49 am
Imagine a deck of cards, with an infinite number of cards.

No top of the deck, no bottom of the deck.

You can rearrange this deck of cards an infinite amount of ways.

Infinite possibility.

I have always been under the impression that our universes is similar to this.

You zoom in, you zoom out, from any perspective, and it never ends.

And there are individual components within this neverending universe.

So, just like the card deck, there are infinite ways it could be rearranged.

Infinite possibility.

Now what I'm not sure of is if this goes on further to the extent of not only, infinite possibility, but infinite universes.

If this is the case (Which I have concluded, due to the fact that the universe is infinite and limitless, which also means an infinite amount of limits expressed) I find it very troubling, because there will always be parallel universes expressing every possible type and amount of suffering. I do understand that there is a level of consciousness beyond dichotomy and caring. But still, is this the case? Just curious, either it isn't and I get over it, or it is, and I get over it.

I don't have a Scientology background, and I hear Dennis mention "universes" "this universe" "junior universes" and "the real universe"...

Could someone help enlighten me? :-)


Jonah
Quote from: Jonah Seymour on March 10, 2014, 12:26:49 am
Imagine a deck of cards, with an infinite number of cards.

No top of the deck, no bottom of the deck.

You can rearrange this deck of cards an infinite amount of ways.

Infinite possibility.

I have always been under the impression that our universes is similar to this.

You zoom in, you zoom out, from any perspective, and it never ends.

And there are individual components within this neverending universe.

So, just like the card deck, there are infinite ways it could be rearranged.

Infinite possibility.

Now what I'm not sure of is if this goes on further to the extent of not only, infinite possibility, but infinite universes.

If this is the case (Which I have concluded, due to the fact that the universe is infinite and limitless, which also means an infinite amount of limits expressed) I find it very troubling, because there will always be parallel universes expressing every possible type and amount of suffering. I do understand that there is a level of consciousness beyond dichotomy and caring. But still, is this the case? Just curious, either it isn't and I get over it, or it is, and I get over it.

I don't have a Scientology background, and I hear Dennis mention "universes" "this universe" "junior universes" and "the real universe"...

Could someone help enlighten me? :-)


Jonah

the problem with eternal and infinite is that they are only futile attempts of the mind to grasp what is inherently impossible for it to grasp.

take eternal for example. when you read the word eternal what does the mind say about it? it imagines an infinite line of time. but it isnt true at all. eternity is the absence of time, the realization that there is only, and ever will be Now. all else is imagined by the mind and is therefore inherently false.

the answer to your question then is this: it cannot be answered because all answers you read will be interpreted by the mind and will be conceptualized. to perceive the truth, you must experience it for yourself, or to put it more accurately, you must become the truth.

love from the Self

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